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by archibald
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8
Replies: 85
Views: 50237

Re: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8

Yet you tried to proposed them as good or straight-forward evidence previously I don't remember saying or suggesting that they are good or straight-forward evidence. and two days ago - Ok. Until I hear a better theory, I'm happy to run, for the sake of probability, with the [Jesus] that has more ac...
by archibald
Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8
Replies: 85
Views: 50237

Re: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8

That the Silence of Paul and Hebrews about this person would be for me unbearable to bear, sincerely. Even sickening and disturbing, frankly. Actual aversion nausea? Over here, in Britain, there are many football supporters who say that one team they support is AB United (or ABU), which means 'anyb...
by archibald
Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8
Replies: 85
Views: 50237

Re: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8

No problem if someone would like to see dressed the Naked Emperor, but I would like see here at least (!) a Naked Emperor :) Here's your naked emperor, or at least a skeleton: A man, born a Jew, born of a woman, from Zion, descended from David, in the flesh, preached, ate bread, was killed, by Jews...
by archibald
Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8
Replies: 85
Views: 50237

Re: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8

Can I just ask you one possibly dumb question? What would be so 'wrong' if there had been a 1st C Judean preacher who was the founder? That the Silence of Paul and Hebrews about this person would be for me unbearable to bear, sincerely. Even sickening and disturbing, franky. No problem if someone w...
by archibald
Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8
Replies: 85
Views: 50237

Re: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8

I know all that and take it into account.

By the way, I don't rule anything out, not even outer space Jesus. I lean towards historicist, that's all.
by archibald
Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8
Replies: 85
Views: 50237

Re: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8

Can you give me some passage similar to Rev 13:4 (as to relative clarity of the construct) but historicist? I doubt you can. Well if I'm allowed to give you something from the NT then I give you the gospels. :) Other than that I'd have given you Josephus and Tacitus. :) To add to what I said about ...
by archibald
Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8
Replies: 85
Views: 50237

Re: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8

Can you give me some passage similar to Rev 13:4 (as to relative clarity of the construct) but historicist? I doubt you can. Well if I'm allowed to give you something from the NT then I give you the gospels. :) Other than that I'd have given you Josephus and Tacitus. :) To add to what I said about ...
by archibald
Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8
Replies: 85
Views: 50237

Re: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8

At any case, if the mythicist Couchoud has given his evidence to consider Jesus as ancestral, which are the reason given by the historicists to consider Jesus as recently and earthly lived? I mean, do we have an extra-gospel passage where it is said explicitly that Jesus is crucified recently on th...
by archibald
Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the silence of 2century apologists
Replies: 71
Views: 45725

Re: On the silence of 2century apologists

Actually, Paul never says that he is from Judea, or Tarsus for that matter. Yes, I'd forgotten that. Just reading his letters on their own one would assume that he was from Damascus. One really good reason for him being in the areas that he was (Greece, Macedonia, Asia Minor, Illyricum), that I can...
by archibald
Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8
Replies: 85
Views: 50237

Re: Carrier and Couchoud about Revelation 13:8

Supposing, for a moment, we were to at least temporarily accept that the line was intended to mean that the lamb was slain at the foundation of the world........ To me, the content of this book arguably belongs, possibly along with its writer, in the tin labelled 'fruitcake'. Or to put it another wa...