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If the author has knowledge of a doctrine of "two Christs", then the author would need to have some knowledge of it. If there is some doctrine of the real, non-Jesus "Hebrew" Christ that is allegedly Marcionite, then this allegedly Marcionite doctrine must have developed some pu...

dbz, i think the problem is that in the case the epistle's aren't Messianic and date a little later it begs the question - what about the messianic original movement? was there one, or did the church frame it that way in the gospels and acts? i'm just disagreeing with everyone. i flat out think ther...

There could be evidence for the conclusion that the Pauline letters wrote about "Chrestos" (instead of "Christos") in its repeated name for Jesus, but we're not going to get it by counting the amount of evidence-against. The "Elvis" analogy, if it has any relevance, cu...

The basic approach here is based on a fallacy. Trying to discount evidence-against doesn't create evidence-for. There could be evidence for the conclusion that the Pauline letters didn't write about "Christos." But we're not going to get it by counting the amount of evidence-against. Ther...

There are 8 references to Jesus being the Messiah in the 13 Pauline epistles (via mention of David, messianic prophecy or messianic title) 6 in Romans, 1 in 1 Corinthians and 1 in 2 Timothy The 7 in the genuine letters are not present in Marcion There are about 55 much stronger references in the gos...

fair enough but either what you say took place in multiple texts or why only Mark and no-where else, maybe it also took place also in 1 Corinthians. i don't think Paul's saying that at all, he's on a morality diatribe and the passover lamb comes out of nowhere. I think ch10 and 11 show he's talking ...

I thought it could indirectly connect to prophecy around the sacrificial atonement (like 1cor15 'For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures'). I see a connection to interpretations around prophecy that might come from a bi...

RG, I thought the same here in 1Cor 5:7 what you think? We're seeing these texts get a bit of an orthodoxising in these little additions that show the orthodox were saying 'look guys, we really believe in the scriptural fulfillment and the prophecies, that's us'. so we're seeing the idea's of that l...

If Philo was influenced by Aramaic the verb/infinitive translated by chrest type words is bassima Core meaning 'sweetness, kindness, pleasantness' as used of perfume and figuratively 'to cause joy' One could argue that 'Christ' derives from bassima and the Messiah is another, different word. So far ...

it depends what Marcionite's 'promise' was that apparently they were loud in proclaiming had arrived (Tertullian)
if the promise wasn't messianic was it that to Abraham or one from a good god that was nothing to do with Abraham?
maybe this is the sort of thing Marcionites disagreed about