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by davidmartin
Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The NT and Presbyter Johns
Replies: 31
Views: 26410

Re: The NT and Presbyter Johns

Zebedee could be another (baptismal?) name for John the Baptist If Zebedee means 'the gift of God' the Samaritan woman at the well we have "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, 'Give me a drink', you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water&quo...
by davidmartin
Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.
Replies: 47
Views: 48077

Re: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.

I just thought Rev 16 a bit unusual "Righteous are You, O Holy One, who is and who was, because You have brought these judgments. 6For they have spilled the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink as they deserve." The name "Holy one" is quite rare, u...
by davidmartin
Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.
Replies: 47
Views: 48077

Re: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.

Please feel free to ask more questions. Thankyou for the information I do have one question, where it has "you have given them blood to drink as they deserve" is this future prophecy or a commentary on the present? could it not be seen as a pejorative against Pauline blood / wine sacramen...
by davidmartin
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.
Replies: 47
Views: 48077

Re: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.

klewis, interesting but could you identify the parts that don't derive from the OT how about the book of life, tree of life (is it mentioned outside Genesis?), woman standing on the moon, hell, or are there too many to list? I had a feeling it was composed of several documents, conceivably one of th...
by davidmartin
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The cross as symbol of creation and life in Gal 3:13
Replies: 7
Views: 9374

Re: The cross as symbol of creation and life in Gal 3:13

yes Guiseppe indeed this is some slender evidence for pre-Christian Gnostic ideas too if you go back far enough it resembles the descent of Inanna, but i'd still argue the original Christians exist as distinct from the later applications of this myth, they have to without anything directly tying the...
by davidmartin
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The crucifixion as form of death derived from the baptism of the god Jesus
Replies: 49
Views: 42729

Re: The crucifixion as form of death derived from the baptism of the god Jesus

Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. A good example of P...
by davidmartin
Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 17950

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

sigh ok fair points Mary M doesn't need such support i guess, damn thought i'd found something there, i hadn't thought it could refer to the Pilate wife episode which i'd forgotten about. but yes i do think that stuff is from later on but still a useful source, apart from the Maria the proselytite l...
by davidmartin
Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 17950

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

No, but i'd be interested in what he says. The impression I got was a lot of scholarship on them was early, reformation era almost and kind of set in stone
The thing is, the woman he mentions does look a bit like Pilate's wife dream i'll admit that
by davidmartin
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 17950

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

maybe or maybe not likely! why call her silly then? or not name her? especially when he doesn't blame any Roman in his line up he is also changing timeframe as he mentions her and begins to talk after the crucifixion. he also said 'dreams' not the singular. these points cast doubt on that. instead w...
by davidmartin
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 17950

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

It is worth pointing out that this extract comes from the epistle of Ignatius to the Philippians, universally acknowledged to be spurious and usually dated to century IV or later ha, even the 4th century is truly ancient and those opinions are essentially guesses. so, can't contain earlier material...