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by davidmartin
Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Problem With Jesus Being the Christ
Replies: 23
Views: 1441

Re: The Problem With Jesus Being the Christ

lol Joel Olsteen. Olsteen and Popoff and Hinn. most outsiders they don't care on these details we think matter here (Chrest/Christ/Thomas) or think it makes much difference, but they see flim flam Christians getting away with it. From a Jewish perspective I'm guessing they see massive difference bet...
by davidmartin
Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: split from: Jesus is not the Christ: A Reading of Mark
Replies: 50
Views: 3316

Re: Jesus is not the Christ: A Reading of Mark

"Barabbas" is the rival Jesus Son of unknown Father, rival to the other Jesus, the Jesus called Chr i stos (or 'king of the Jews' ). Chr e stos emphasizes a marcionite attribute of the Jesus Son of Father: his being the Good God. Hence the discovery of the hot water: that there was a sect...
by davidmartin
Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's use of Philo
Replies: 43
Views: 4686

Re: Mark's use of Philo

or the writings of Philo got reworked and added to well into the 2nd century and reflect opposition to Justin's style of Christianity in these passages. if so it don't tell us much. if a connection can be established so does the direction of dependence surely i mean if its proposed Mark drew from Ph...
by davidmartin
Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's use of Philo
Replies: 43
Views: 4686

Re: Mark's use of Philo

ah, yes well just a thought it reminded me a bit of "life of brian", sort of like a Monty Python sketch this "Maris" is just silly. In Syriac it means 'Lord' I been seeing that word all the time in Syriac everywhere there's a Kyrios, well Mar-ya literally the 's' is a Greek endin...
by davidmartin
Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's use of Philo
Replies: 43
Views: 4686

Re: Mark's use of Philo

how do you know Philo isn't using Mark? it's not as if we have the virgin manuscript that Philo himself wrote while his wife brought him bagels. No, we have a copy that presumably was in Jewish hands for a century or more. If they objected to any of it (if? what am I saying!) they could easily put i...
by davidmartin
Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:44 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Jesus is not the Christ: A Reading of Mark
Replies: 102
Views: 22365

Re: Jesus is not the Christ: A Reading of Mark

(1) Along with other names ("spirit," "son," "wisdom," etc), "Christ" was drawn into the vortex of speculation about a second power in heaven. This speculation was based largely on interpretation of the scriptures, and it would perhaps be more surprising if i...
by davidmartin
Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin's Two Advents of Christ and the Title Christ
Replies: 19
Views: 1378

Re: Justin's Two Advents of Christ and the Title Christ

maybe only the true Messiah would deny he is the Messiah and this is how to tell him apart from the false ones since Jesus denies it, he is the Messiah where 1 John's opponents went wrong then is by denying Jesus was the Messiah they were doing it wrong only Jesus can deny it, you can say he denied ...
by davidmartin
Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin's Two Advents of Christ and the Title Christ
Replies: 19
Views: 1378

Re: Justin's Two Advents of Christ and the Title Christ

not necessarily. I can see why 'also' though, because automatically think of the Gnostics here (for good reason) But it could be possible to argue Jesus is the Messiah who preached God is the saviour and line up with 1 John's doceticists. but only if they were not 'also' Gnostic! This would be a lit...
by davidmartin
Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin's Two Advents of Christ and the Title Christ
Replies: 19
Views: 1378

Re: Justin's Two Advents of Christ and the Title Christ

They are accused of having "blasphemed ... Christ." They are schismatics to those who "confessed Him the Christ," believing "the prophecies" were fulfilled in him. It seems credible that they denied "that Jesus is the Christ" (1 John 2:22). As such, in the te...
by davidmartin
Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: split from: Jesus is not the Christ: A Reading of Mark
Replies: 50
Views: 3316

Re: Jesus is not the Christ: A Reading of Mark

*Ev does n't adopt the position of being anti-messianic. *Ev in the hands of Marcion is used as a gospel adopting the position of being anti-messianic. What was sufficient and necessary for a such use of *Ev by Marcion was what Wrede has called the "Messianic Secret in Mark" and what Trob...