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The late-dating is the conservative / orthodox game: date as late as possible, label as Gnostic, and date the gospels as early as possible, and label as "historical". And then they come up with Eusebius, Josephus, and one or two vague lines from some Romans. It's futile, and very incredib...

That, I don't understand. Yes they didn't understand the parables, but how is Thomas reconstructing beliefs, and showing bias towards what? And why doesn't that mix with a 1st century existence All it is I'm open to the possibility that Thomas could reflect a certain theological 'camp' that was say...

The trouble with calling Jesus or Thomas Samaritan is the difficulty of reconstructing how that term would have applied in the 1st century You could see Samaria as a microcosm of the rest of Israel with it's own chief priests and similar sects and branches you could be on to something but the chall...

to mlinssen, I think your book of reference, Coptic/English Interlinear of the Gospel of Thomas, is overly generous about the parallels between gThomas and gMark & Q. I consulted that website http://www.crivoice.org/thomas.html and counting the parallels with gMark & Q (Including not only c...

Thanks Bernard, I inserted numbers into your text, for reference in my response to mlinssen, bolding is mine In a nutshell, again: Thomas was the common source to Mark, Luke and Matthew. Mark , creating his own story out of nowhere on top of only Thomas, tentatively copied a third of it , and made u...

Samarian??? From Samaria? Yes. Logion 60 seems like a joke, with the Samaritan struggling with the lamb - exact same word as in logion 74 where people "go-round in separation". The Samaritan "goes-round within the lamb" and he "enters into" Judea The exact same "e...

everyone wants to reign right? haha i think the reigning in a Jewish sense is what it meant, being crowned by God... not reigning through superior understanding I think that the former is strongly implied in Thomas but if you don't know where to look for it you might assume the latter, i guess as t...

it's possible. even if someone was going to argue this given the likely chances of changes along the way you'd have to analyse each one individually if Thomas is late/dependent that just makes the effort to do this seem pointless i'd rather see it given an early date so that work is done. it just s...

Thanks Ben, will do the parallels! Do I myself expect it? Not really, though I would be thrilled if such a manuscript were discovered, because it would answer a lot of questions. And you know that Ken does not expect it, either. But a Q theorist, yes, would expect that such a document, accounting fo...

Thank you David You could reframe the question Assuming there is some primordial list of parables Does Thomas draw from this reliably? I'm "assuming" that Thomas is that primordial list of parables If the answer is yes then the theological concept of immanence advocated by Thomas reveals s...