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- Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:44 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
- Replies: 91
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Re: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
to mlinssen, I like the John argument, although it is plausible to use John without mentioning him if he just copies Mark 2:18 Why would Marcion see only Mk 2:18, but not Mk 1? Furthermore, I do not think my arguments are weak. About gThomas, I have a web page with many arguments demonstrating gTho...
- Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:59 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What the interpolated John the Baptist in the incipit of the Marcion's Evangelion has eclipsed forever: the Gospel Paul
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Re: What the interpolated John the Baptist in the incipit of the Marcion's Evangelion has eclipsed forever: the Gospel P
Matthias Klinghardt thinks Marcion [+/- Paul's epistles +/- the LXX-OT] -> Mark; then 'Matthew' used Marcion & Mark (& other texts especially the LXX-OT) to write his gospel; then 'John' use the preceding texts; then 'Luke' used all these^ Merged versions of Vinzent's and Klinghardt's propo...
- Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:53 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Nasaraeans, Mandaeans, Enochic Judaism, & Christianity.
- Replies: 38
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Re: Nasaraeans, Mandaeans, Enochic Judaism, & Christianity.
I doubt Christianity was ever mainstream before the very end of the 4th century; before 385 AD/CE , at least; and even then probably only in Constantinople and surrounds, and maybe in the remnants of the olde Rome and a few other places in the East, eg. Asia Minor. Key texts that have survived, eg....
- Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
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Re: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story < counterargument
Philosophical question though: how would you classify the Gospel of Thomas, if you had to pick between biblical and non biblical? First reaction please, just on impulse :) Parabiblical. ψυχὴ πλεῖόν ἐστιν τῆς τροφῆς - psyche translated as "life", really? Primary definition listed in the LS...
- Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:47 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
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Re: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
Arguments in favor of proving Marcion's gospel (of the Lord) was written after Luke's gospel: http://historical-jesus.info/53.html Cordially, Bernard I like the John argument, although it is plausible to use John without mentioning him if he just copies Mark 2:18 The other arguments are rather weak...
- Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
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Re: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
Back to "SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story". If it was the case "Matthew" did a very bad job by not including the Bethsaida mini-gospel into gLuke, when that section is in his own gospel and gMark. Cordially, Bernard That depends on motive and purpose, Bernard. I...
- Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:37 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
- Replies: 91
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Re: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story < counterargument
ψυχὴ πλεῖόν ἐστιν τῆς τροφῆς - psyche translated as "life", really? Primary definition listed in the LSJ: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3Dyuxh%2F . BDAG has a long discussion of its translation in a biblical context, and it, too, lists ...
- Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:23 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
- Replies: 91
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Re: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story < counterargument
ψυχὴ πλεῖόν ἐστιν τῆς τροφῆς - psyche translated as "life", really? Primary definition listed in the LSJ: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3Dyuxh%2F . BDAG has a long discussion of its translation in a biblical context, and it, too, lists ...
- Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
- Replies: 91
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Re: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story < counterargument
There is one major but, of course: how the hell could the Church have accepted "Luke" when they rejected Marcion? And gotten away with that? Granted, all they needed to do was just lie that Marcion copied Luke, but Marcion seemed to have been quite a movement, and there is brazenness and ...
- Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:46 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story
- Replies: 91
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Re: SACT: Matthew wrote Luke to support his own story < arguments and consequences
All that in a nutshell, I'm reading up on Marcion just today, yeah sometimes I'm a bit impulsive, but it's a SACT so anything goes really :lol: I have a treatment of the Marcionite gospel on the forum: http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1765 . I also have a treatment of the Marc...