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- Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:02 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
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Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
Virtually all the evidence for a pre 70 CE Jesus story and cult is missing. In the very Canon of the Jesus cult all the authors are fakes. In other words, they were written precisely to deceive. The Gospels and the Pauline Corpus are not only compilation of forgeries but their contents are known fic...
- Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
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Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
The word is 'Chrestianos' See http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/tacitus/tac.ann15.shtml ....Sed non ope humana, non largitionibus principis aut deum placamentis decedebat infamia, quin iussum incendium crederetur. ergo abolendo rumori Nero subdidit reos et quaesitissimis poenis adfecit, quos per flagit...
- Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:23 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
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Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
It has already been proven that the letter was an E by ultra-violet light. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ In 1902 Georg Andresen commented on the appearance of the first 'i' and subsequent gap in the earliest extant, 11th century, copy of the Annals in Florence, suggesting that t...
- Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
- Views: 117676
Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
I have already told you that Annals 15.44 was interpolated and the picture confirms it. Yes but it's a question of whether it was just the 'i' that was interpolated, just the word Chrestianos, or the entire passage. Even if authentic, the passage just refers to Christians, or a version of Christian...
- Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
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Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
It is quite well documented that at least one of the written Tacitus passages refers to Chr e stianos; I'm just asking if other texts do. What I can say is that when "Church History" is examined it will be seen that Tacitus Annals with Chrestus was not used at all to prove Jesus existed. ...
- Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
- Views: 117676
Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
It is quite well documented that at least one of the written Tacitus passages refers to Chr e stianos; I'm just asking if other texts do. What I can say is that when "Church History" is examined it will be seen that Tacitus Annals with Chrestus was not used at all to prove Jesus existed. ...
- Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:03 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
- Views: 117676
Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
There were many Christian cults that did NOT believe and did NOT accept the Jesus story. We have "Against Heresies" attributed to Irenaeus, "Refutation of All Heresies" attributed to Hippolytus and "Prescription Against the Heretics" attributed to Tertullian which docu...
- Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:35 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
- Views: 117676
Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
It is easily seen that the argument for a pre 70 CE Jesus cult is the very weakest argument. The Jesus story was fabricated after the Fall of the Jewish Temple c 70 CE and sometime after c 120 CE or after Suetonius "Twelve Lives of the Caesars". It is claimed that around c 115 CE Pliny the...
- Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:12 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
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Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
...Here's one thing I found that I did not expect to find, and it may be relevant: In the early Christian texts, up to and including Origen, we do not find Christus without Iesus , nor a whiff of Χριστός without Ἰησοῦς (the Odes of Solomon being the only known exception, as mentioned in the comment...
- Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:10 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
- Views: 117676
Re: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish
The presumed divergence between a "Jesus cult" and a society of Christians who name their founder Christus is an implicit assumption that needs to be mentioned. Even if the passage in Tacitus were considered Tacitean, the argument is that this does not attest a "Jesus cult" beca...