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by neilgodfrey
Fri Jun 30, 2023 2:40 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

Secret Alias has consistently refused or proved incapable of engaging with the substance of any argument for the Hellenistic thesis, has simply ignored the many detailed attempts to respond patiently and painstakingly to his questions by both Gmirkin and myself and repeated the same rhetorical quest...
by neilgodfrey
Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:29 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

Biblical studies attracts all kinds of hypotheses from both professional scholars and amateur hobbyists and everyone in between. In other history disciplines I don't think we have such an extreme variety of options on the table. The reason, in my view, is that there are no independent controls used ...
by neilgodfrey
Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:08 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

Could you clarify which Hellenistic Era works you mean ? I thought we were discussing links between the Jewish scriptures and Plato. But Plato is normally regarded as Classical period rather than Hellenistic. Andrew Criddle Well, per Gmirkin, Manetho and Berossus for starters, but he identifies a n...
by neilgodfrey
Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:52 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: review of RE Gmirkin, Plato’s Timaeus and the Biblical creation accounts...
Replies: 2
Views: 3429

Re: review of RE Gmirkin, Plato’s Timaeus and the Biblical creation accounts...

Would I be right in understanding the main fault Banner finds with Gmirkin's work is that he expresses himself too confidently and that he should be more cautious -- proposing parallels for further study. I can buy that.
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:19 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: The Ignatius's opponents according to Richard Carrier

φάντασμα was the word Josephus used to describe the divine Man who wrestled with Jacob. φάντασμα was a nuanced terminology. The Church Fathers deliberately ridiculed it. We are left only with the parody of the original Jewish understanding. This is what the church fathers ridicule led to: Screen Sh...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:15 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

While I can't contribute much to this discussion beyond "I suppose it's not impossible, but it just doesn't feel right," I gather that the argument is that there are at least references to Plato's works by others before the oldest manuscripts we currently have, but no one appears to menti...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:09 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

The scene from Schindler's List shows a German official pretending to evaluate the work performance of a Jewish work. He has a stopwatch. He even remarks about the quality of his work. Nevertheless the evaluation is unfair. Presumably because the worker is Jewish. The Jewish worker is also presumab...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How much probable is that the suetonian "impulsore Chresto" is a reference to the Jewish Messiah?
Replies: 50
Views: 16770

Re: How much probable is that the suetonian "impulsore Chresto" is a reference to the Jewish Messiah?

Neil has explained me that the mere occurrence of Chrestus is a coincidence (a mere name for slaves); Neil has explained me that the mere occurrence of Jewish rioters expelled by Claudius is a coincidence (a mere racial riot). But how do you explain the presence, in the same phrase, of Chrestus and...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Ignatius's opponents according to Richard Carrier
Replies: 23
Views: 1977

Re: The Ignatius's opponents according to Richard Carrier

In determining the beliefs of Ignatius’ opponents we may examine next the solution which posits that they were purely docetic, believing that Jesus “had no contact, however fleeting, with matter.” Such a definition of Docetism is widely, if unreflectively, employed,24 though it does not really fit ...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:31 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

. . . . I'm not calling the writers of the Jewish scriptures charlatan's per-se, but why certain things are done may be very different if one is engaged in a faithful act vs being engaged in a deceptive act. So, certain techniques may be used to intentionally mislead people. Certain techniques are ...