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by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:19 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Diachronicity in the Pentateuch - The Drunkenness of Noah (Gen 9:18-27)
Replies: 9
Views: 22182

Re: Buggering Dad

"Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had doneYet I also recall the Kronos castration story as related : Ancient Greek mythology tells a story with a couple of details that bear a striking resemblance to the biblical account. The god Ouranos (Uranus) and goddess Gaia, repres...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:56 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

I deplore posting such an image and drawing comparisons between Russell Gmirkin and Nazis and would like to ask you, Stephan, to remove it. It is highly offensive in this context and certainly inappropriate. Russell's theory actually puts the Jews AND Samaritans on a par with all other races and tr...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:44 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

Let's keep in mind that the Hellenistic Era begins "officially" in 323 BCE. The evidence against pre-Hellenistic Judaism is pretty overwhelming. But its also important to properly define terms. Certainly many "elements of Judaism" existed and were found prior to the Hellenistic ...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:30 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

There seems to be a conscious or unconscious anti-Jewish bias by affording Greek authors and manuscripts leniency with respect to not being dated to the earliest surviving manuscripts but Judaism is effectively dated only to the earliest manuscripts. Not saying you guys are Nazis but it's the kind ...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:20 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

The hypothesis will be ignored because it lacks nuance. His struggle with Samaritanism is indicative of this. He didn't take it seriously enough as having a central role in the foundation of the religion of the book. We gone through this before. You appear to have forgotten the issue on which Russe...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:11 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

I posted here an attempt to explain in summary the reason the Hellenistic origin of the Bible should be taken seriously. As I expected, the usual pair, SG and SA have come along and derailing this thread with denunciations that fail to address the actual arguments that have been made. I would like t...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:05 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

Just for the record, I repeat the reason here why Gmirkin's theory has nothing in common with the methods underlying the view that Christianity is an invention of Constantine: The view that Christian documents were forged in the fourth century to give them an appearance of an earlier history relies ...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:23 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

As for reasons why radically new ideas do not often become quickly adopted, anyone with basic knowledge of how a university and academic life actually works in the real world will know the answer. I recently was told by an academic who is part of the mainstream and widely known and highly respected ...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:06 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously
Replies: 207
Views: 64081

Re: Why the Hellenistic era hypothesis should be taken seriously

and find ng's dismissal of austendw's Noah example perfunctory, I at no point "dismissed" austendw's example of an explanation of the diachronic explanation for the narrative. I acknowledged and accepted it. I made it clear in my discussions with austendw that I acknowledged the seams and...
by neilgodfrey
Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:26 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Bogus 312-325 CE Christian Creation... c. 273-272 BCE Entire Torah Creation?
Replies: 20
Views: 8648

Re: Bogus 312-325 CE Christian Creation... c. 273-272 BCE Entire Torah Creation?

What do you all think about this video? https://youtu.be/-LVb9vysXwg?t=2243 According to the scholar John Mchugh, Jews based part of the creation story of Genesis on Sumerian astral lore while they were in Babylonian captivity (IIRC). I'm sympathetic to Gmirkin's theory but wouldn't this partially ...