Search found 5991 matches
- Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:02 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Bogus 312-325 CE Christian Creation... c. 273-272 BCE Entire Torah Creation?
- Replies: 20
- Views: 8648
Re: Bogus 312-325 CE Christian Creation... c. 273-272 BCE Entire Torah Creation?
The serious answer to Stephen G's question: The all-Constantine-Christian-creation proposal makes no appeal to independent evidence but seeks to explain why there is no evidence for its interpretation of origins of the existing documents. The all-c.273-272-Torah-creation proposal is about publishing...
- Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:10 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
- Replies: 259
- Views: 144882
Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
I get the impression that you are proposing what is in fact a "perfect crime" that was so cleverly and so comprehensively organized that not a single clue was left to be found that would lead to doubts. Is that a fair description? If various authors were manufactured to appear to have wit...
- Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:31 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
- Replies: 259
- Views: 144882
Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
Imagine Socrates was a fictional person invented by Plato. No historical Socrates. Our later manuscripts include a play, The Clouds, by Aristophanes that pokes fun at Socrates. Another manuscript collection contains very different philosophical discussions from those of Plato, these by one claiming...
- Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:25 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4680
Re: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
The value of the case advanced by Zeddies is that it offers a half-way decent explanation for -- the origins of Jesus as a figure of worship, -- as a heavenly messiah, -- for the absence of historical details about Jesus in Paul's writings, -- the explanation for how Paul found Jesus in the Scriptur...
- Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:26 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Origins of Jewish monotheism: Gmirkin vs Isaiah...
- Replies: 69
- Views: 25860
Re: Origins of Jewish monotheism: Gmirkin vs Isaiah...
Alas, I do not - I was merely citing the source to which the claim that Tyre was flourishing within 30 years of Alexander the Great's seige is attributed on Wikpedia. Okay, inter-library loan it is. Apologies for the late self-insertion into this thread but I have only gotten around to reading this...
- Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:22 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4680
Re: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
There is a response in the same journal to Gathercole's article. Unfortunately it's behind a paywall but a library membership should be able to give you access to it at least at a reduced cost. Zeddies, Michael T. “Communal Incarnation: The Corporate, Collective Jesus of Paul’s Letters.” Journal for...
- Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:12 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
- Replies: 15
- Views: 2644
Re: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
I get the impression that if one can argue from Paul that Jesus was an earthly figure that Jesus was therefore a historical human. How does that follow? Was it not a truism in the ancient world that, if you wanted the best and most reliable witnesses to a man’s words, deeds, life and character, you...
- Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:59 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
- Replies: 15
- Views: 2644
Re: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
I get the impression that if one can argue from Paul that Jesus was an earthly figure that Jesus was therefore a historical human. How does that follow?
- Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:35 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4680
Re: Simon Gathercole: "The Historical and Human Existence of Jesus in Paul’s Letters"
fwiw, I responded to Simon Gathercole's article at the time it first appeared in 2018: Addressing Simon Gathercole’s “Historical and Human Existence of Jesus” (#1) Addressing S. Gathercole’s Case for Jesus’ Humanity: “Born from a Woman” (#2) Addressing S. Gathercole’s Case: “Born from a Woman” (#3) ...
- Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:21 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
- Replies: 259
- Views: 144882
Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
Imagine Socrates was a fictional person invented by Plato. No historical Socrates. Our later manuscripts include a play, The Clouds, by Aristophanes that pokes fun at Socrates. Another manuscript collection contains very different philosophical discussions from those of Plato, these by one claiming...