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by RandyHelzerman
Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
Replies: 254
Views: 174202

Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism

... them. It's pretty ironic, because the only *actual* chain of apostolic authority that they give is for Marcion--they all say he was a student of Cerdo, who was a student of Simon Magus, who was a student of Philip the Apostle. Maybe they just made that up to discredit him, but I take it semi-seriously, ...
by Secret Alias
Fri Aug 18, 2023 1:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Using ChatGPT
Replies: 237
Views: 253920

A ChatGPT Paraphrase of Adversus Marcionem

... introduces this new deity as an alternative to the Creator, accusing the latter of being responsible for evil. Marcion's beliefs are influenced by Cerdo, leading some to perceive two gods due to their lack of understanding of the one true God. Marcion's arguments undermine the existence of the ...
by Giuseppe
Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin knew the Gospel of the Hebrews aka Q
Replies: 42
Views: 242013

Re: Justin knew the Gospel of the Hebrews aka Q

... is placed in by Eusebius is no later than Trajan's time (117 CE) and Marcion is placed no earlier than the time of Pope Hyginus (138-142 CE) via Cerdo. And the only gospels Papias is said to have known were Mark and Matthew, with the latter in Hebrew and multiple translations. There is no "Marcion's ...
by John2
Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin knew the Gospel of the Hebrews aka Q
Replies: 42
Views: 242013

Re: Justin knew the Gospel of the Hebrews aka Q

... is placed in by Eusebius is no later than Trajan's time (117 CE) and Marcion is placed no earlier than the time of Pope Hyginus (138-142 CE) via Cerdo. And the only gospels Papias is said to have known were Mark and Matthew, with the latter in Hebrew and multiple translations. There is no "Marcion's ...
by Secret Alias
Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion: It's Either Against Heresies or the Philosophumena
Replies: 3
Views: 458

Re: Marcion: It's Either Against Heresies or the Philosophumena

Also "Cerdo" appears nowhere in the main account of Marcion he does appear "in the fringes" of Book 7 immediately after a certain Theodosius of Byzantium who it must be noted has a very, very similar understanding ...
by Secret Alias
Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion: It's Either Against Heresies or the Philosophumena
Replies: 3
Views: 458

Marcion: It's Either Against Heresies or the Philosophumena

Against Heresies 1.27.1. Cerdo was one who took his system from the followers of Simon, and came to live at Rome in the time of Hyginus, who held the ninth place in the episcopal succession from the apostles downwards. He taught that ...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What did early gnostic Christians call other Christians?
Replies: 33
Views: 4491

Re: What did early gnostic Christians call other Christians?

... the poor -- 'poor ol' Paul', that is! -- Simon Magus was the same, but with more magic. Finally, the official schism occurred during the times of Cerdo/Marcion/Valentius/Pius, with each of them driving forward their own beliefs and agendas. All speculative as you say, but that's how I rationalise ...
by billd89
Fri Jun 16, 2023 5:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cerdo
Replies: 11
Views: 1855

"These Men, These Heretics": Marcion, borrowing Cerdo

... yet hinders not, they accuse Him of treachery. Mark too their want of sense. 868 The theory of two Gods, one good and the other evil, was held by Cerdo, and Marcion (Hippolytus, Refut. omnium Hær. VII. cap. 17: Irenæus, III. xxv. 3, quoted in note on Cat. iv. 4). CAPUT 27 Cerdon and Marcion 5 ...
by billd89
Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cerdo
Replies: 11
Views: 1855

Re: Cerdo

... see section 1 as being about Two Powers. Irrelevant, and petulant. "Marcion came after him, and developed his doctrine." In Irenaeus, Cerdo's doctrine is clearly indicated as a Two Power theology, above. This is basic reading comprehension. What someone wants or refuses to believe ...
by MrMacSon
Fri Jun 16, 2023 12:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cerdo
Replies: 11
Views: 1855

Re: Cerdo

where is there an indication that Cerdo defined Two Powers? See above. Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.27.1-2: 1. Cerdo was one who took his system from the followers of Simon, and came to live at Rome in the time of Hyginus {c.140 AD}, who ...