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by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 251
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Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

StephenGoranson wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:55 am If a pre-1976 monastic publication has that, by 2024, would not someone by now have found it?
So why would I ask these questions? Because I am dishonest and refuse to admit the obvious that it must not exist?
by StephenGoranson
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 251
Views: 19035

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

... explanation is quite unlikely: If some monk copied the text in circa 18th century, then why would he try to imitate an unfamiliar style? Plus, on Smith's scenario, the putative older-than-18th-century ms copy would not have had that 18th-century style anyway for anyone to imitate!
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 251
Views: 19035

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

A receipt from the transfer, signed by Dourvas among others, has recently surfaced. The paleographer Agamemnon Tselikas discovered it in the archives of the Patriarchal Library in Jerusalem. The document describes the letter of Clement as “unpublished and without any doubts about its authenticity.”...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 251
Views: 19035

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

Smith and Landau add something to the story: Flusser remembers that they did encounter one ... to leave with the book, “Abbot Seraphim,” an old friend of Smith who presided over Mar Saba, “raised hell,” demanding that “they would have to request it, and he would send it.”5 ...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 113
Views: 9295

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

... books that were in the monastic library of Mar Saba and comes to the conclusion that this demonstrates ... as to what books were in the library before Morton Smith and doesn't cite this rotten piece of evidence. Kallistos ...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 113
Views: 9295

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

Let's compare also Seraphim of Mar Saba and Tselikas. Tselikas has seen more manuscripts ... that the manuscript was in the library before Morton Smith got there. On some level this be true as he couldn't ...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 113
Views: 9295

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

... can help me develop some of the stories at Mar Saba and the Patriarchate with better source material ... movie from the 1970s with Ugo Tognazzi as Morton Smith and Sophia Loren as his Jerusalem love interest. Sophia ...
by Secret Alias
Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 113
Views: 9295

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

... handwritings found at a monasteries visited by Morton Smith in 1952 and that he must have photographed these handwriting examples to make the Mar Saba handwriting. Pantuck demonstrated that none of the manuscripts ...
by Secret Alias
Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 251
Views: 19035

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

They're all such fucking piece of shit. I mean I am loser. But I choose to be a loser. I could make twice the amount of money I do if I just had discipline and not waste my time researching this stuff. But these guys. They're like serious losers. Like who fucking cares about half this shit. So let's...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 251
Views: 19035

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

And maybe because I said Marcionite studies is bullshit. Yeah I think I have been modest in trying to re-evaluate Tertullian, but the reception would be icy especially among those who have studied the Marcionite stuff the most. It's the single largest source of 'material'. Having full value as a mi...