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- Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel
- Replies: 53
- Views: 2242
Re: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel
If I get this right, you, rgprice, have written that Mark was a genius but that Matthew and Luke totally misunderstood his supposed-by-you fiction and then added to it mistakenly from other sources as if not fiction, and that Mark was originally shorter except when it was originally longer. Partly ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:46 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 286
Re: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
I'm not entirely sure all of them are smart enough to be terrified, but they should be. I do think that there are a lot of Christian scholars who are true believers and think that by digging into all of this, that the claims of Christianity will all be vindicated. Surely that has been true for the p...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:15 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Polycarp
- Replies: 12
- Views: 314
Re: Against Polycarp
Irenaeus knows Papias. Makes reference in the Third Book and elsewhere. For the Third Book see Francis Watson. Irenaeus mentions someone named Papias, and makes a few very vague comments about him. Over 100 years later Eusebius claims to be providing a quote from Papais about the provenance of Matt...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:31 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Polycarp
- Replies: 12
- Views: 314
Re: Against Polycarp
Irenaeus's rationale for the specific timing of Mark's Gospel being transmitted in Rome may be attributed to Papias's suggestion that Matthew wrote his account as an amendment to Mark's narrative. Irenaeus was undoubtedly cognizant of Papias's remarks about the necessity to reorganize Mark's Gospel...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:39 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
- Replies: 27
- Views: 539
Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part)?
I'm quite confident that the "Gospel of Mark" was originally much longer and included material that is now found in Acts 16-28. Which verses (or material)? A little bit of stuff prior to Acts 16, primarily, the description of Paul's persecutions and then his vision of Jesus. Then the firs...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 5:24 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
- Replies: 27
- Views: 539
Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part)?
I don't know about Paul "being" Marcion. But really its hard to say much about any of this. I mean its not even clear if Marcion was a real person. I'm quite confident that the "Gospel of Mark" was originally much longer and included material that is now found in Acts 16-28. What...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:19 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
- Replies: 13
- Views: 242
Re: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
Mark crafts a fictional scene using literary allusions, like the example of the triumphal entry. Then Matthew comes along and says, "this happened in order to fulfill scripture", which necessarily indicates that Matthew is interpreting the scene as a literal event that happened "in ac...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:20 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
- Replies: 13
- Views: 242
Re: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
Every scene in the Gospel of Mark draws on the OT, so I'm not really sure what to say about that...StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:25 pm Not persuasive. Both draw on OT. No clear disjunction.
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:15 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Context for understanding the Ransom Theory
- Replies: 30
- Views: 585
Re: Context for understanding the Ransom Theory
Its difficult to parse “My God, my God, why did you abandon me?” too closely, since its part of a literary reference to Psalm 22, which is about how the sufferer will cause everyone in the world to worship God. So clearly that is the goal of the writer is to make a reference to this concept.
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:18 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
- Replies: 13
- Views: 242
Re: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
Here is a somewhat simple example: Mark 1: 29 As soon as they left the synagogue, they entered the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John. 30 Now Simon’s mother-in-law was in bed with a fever, and they told him about her at once. 31 He came and took her by the hand and lifted her up. Then th...