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by GakuseiDon
Sun Jul 04, 2021 11:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

Giuseppe, it's an interesting point, but I have no knowledge of Hebrew or gMark's use of Hebrew in his Greek composition, so I don't know how much of a coincidence it is for "PLT" appearing in both "Pilate" and "releases". That analysis of "how likely"/"h...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Jul 04, 2021 10:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

Even when Pilate releases (PLT) Barabbas before the Pesach just as Aaron releases (PLT) the evil goat in the wilderness during Hayom Kippur? Too much divine coincidence, here... I agree. That Pilate existed doesn't mean that the Gospel stories about Pilate actually happened. Really? Do you agree th...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

Only two observations: In the specific case of "not yet 50", if you reject a midrashical explanation for the specific presence of 50, then you are obliged, in this particular case, to a literalist reading: a man was said to be not yet 50 years old. A literal fact. You're confusing two thi...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

GakuseiDon might hold to the idea of a historical Jesus under Pilate around 30/33 c.e. Thus, you are both literalists - seeking to knock GakuseiDon for being a literalist while you yourself are also a literalist - seems like double standards to me. Just a nitpick: I'd call myself a 'historicist', b...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Jul 04, 2021 6:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

I imagine that there were hundreds of early Christian Giuseppes trawling through the texts and producing associations, and the ones that grabbed popular attention were the ones that survived and added into the myth of Christianity. just as there were the various early Christian GakuseiDon (given th...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

Giuseppe's analysis always reminds me of Celsus's criticism of Christianity: Origen, Against Celsus, Book 5 http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/origen166.html [Celsus continues as follows]: "And in all their writings (is mention made) of the tree of life, and a resurrection of the flesh...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

Giuseppe's analysis always reminds me of Celsus's criticism of Christianity: Origen, Against Celsus, Book 5 http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/origen166.html [Celsus continues as follows]: "And in all their writings (is mention made) of the tree of life, and a resurrection of the flesh ...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

GakuseiDon is unable, just as Irenaeus was , to see the theological point raised by that impossible-coincidence-that-can't-be-a-true-coincidence. True enough. What is the theological point being raised by "not yet 50 years old" in John 8? Pre-existence? That had already been established i...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

Out of interest: did you check his claim that "first day" of Creation occurs precisely 50 words from the start of Genesis? Is he using Hebrew or the Septuagint for his calculation? What version does he reference for his claim? Good question. The claim appears to be accurate based on the H...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old
Replies: 128
Views: 18847

Re: Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old

You created the thread with the title "Irenaeus' stupidity about Jesus 50 years old". Irenaeus in fact is arguing against gnostics who found significance in the Gospel Jesus being thirty at baptism and about thirty-one (30 aeon "years" + 12 aeon "months") when he suffe...