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- Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:51 am
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- Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
I have read the Roubekas article on Celsus and if I understand well, it seems that Euhemerus was a rationalist insofar as his historical Uranus was not divine nor semi-divine while he was on Terra firma, and was deified post-mortem by the man Zeus because he was a ordinary king but benefactor of AL...
- Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:45 am
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- Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
Here is a link to a digital edition: What is Euhemerism? A Brief History of Research and Some Persisting Questions ”, Bulletin for the Study of Religion 43.2 (2014): 30-37. http://onlinedigeditions.com/publication/?i=207716&p=32 Cheers. From p 35 - "The early Christian euhemerism, on the o...
- Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:30 am
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
... As far as I can see Euhemerus said the gods were once mortals ie. their origin was earthly. Yes, it seems Euhermerus said that, but falsely [/b]!! Surely, it makes no sense to turn this around to propose that the origin of the gods was heavenly and Euhemerus created an earthly existence for the...
- Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:35 am
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
WHICH EUHEMERISM WILL YOU USE? NICKOLAS P. ROUBEKAS* This paper deals with euhemerism as a theory that has been (mis-) treated in various ways by both ancient and modern writers ... https://www.academia.edu/5792859/Which_Euhemerism_will_you_use_Celsus_on_the_Divine_Nature_of_Jesus . What Carrier ne...
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:19 pm
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
1 . Giuseppe says August 1, 2015 at 12:31 am ... But were there cases where the euhemerizer historicized a previous celestial god X but only not calling ‘X’ his fabricated human hero but renaming him Y? The question arises from the possibility (but, alas, it’s only a remote possibility) that the fi...
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:04 pm
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- Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
2 . Bruce says August 1, 2015 at 2:07 am " .. To be blunt about the implications in OHJ, if I understand you, all this makes it quite plausible that Jesus was Euhemerized very much as Osiris was. That is to say, the original Jesus was some sort of angel or good-sky-demon, who wasn’t born of a ...
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
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The euhemerized entities Carrier refers to are Zeus and Uranus - euhemerized by Euhemerus;
and Dionysus, Romulus and Hercules; the later two, at least, whose euhemerization was not recognised as such by Plutarch.
The euhemerized entities Carrier refers to are Zeus and Uranus - euhemerized by Euhemerus;
and Dionysus, Romulus and Hercules; the later two, at least, whose euhemerization was not recognised as such by Plutarch.
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:40 pm
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
But we don't know precisely if the historical Zeus (as euhemerized by Euhemerus) was 'miracled up' and to which degree (if he was) - the book being lost -, therefore I would prefer a more general definition of Euhemerism as casting of celestial into terrestrial. I doubt surely that Euhemerus claime...
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:28 pm
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
Anyway, I don't think that affects your mythicist theory. There is nothing to stop ancient people from taking a celestial god and creating a story about a man on earth who becomes a god. You're over-extending and misrepresenting by stating it's about "creating a story about a man on earth who ...
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:18 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
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Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je
It's very strange. Carrier gives the correct definition of Euhemerizing, states that it "is doing what Euhemerus did" -- turning a god into a man -- and then ignores the ramifications. The end result is a MAN, not a man who becomes a god. It is a man who dies as a god, and is then posthum...