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by neilgodfrey
Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Surprising List of Scholars Who Date Pilate to 18 CE
Replies: 75
Views: 40984

Re: Surprising List of Scholars Who Date Pilate to 18 CE

And that is where this whole argument rests - Josephus and his two writing 'hats' - historian and prophetic historian. In your view in what sense is Josephus (a) a historian and (b) a prophetic historian? When what Josephus says can be backed up from other sources he is wearing his historian's hat....
by neilgodfrey
Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Surprising List of Scholars Who Date Pilate to 18 CE
Replies: 75
Views: 40984

Re: Surprising List of Scholars Who Date Pilate to 18 CE

maryhelena wrote:And that is where this whole argument rests - Josephus and his two writing 'hats' - historian and prophetic historian.
In your view in what sense is Josephus (a) a historian and (b) a prophetic historian?
by neilgodfrey
Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark, the Jews and the destruction of the temple
Replies: 133
Views: 67223

Re: Mark, the Jews and the destruction of the temple

I trust you are being entirely facetious.
by neilgodfrey
Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Surprising List of Scholars Who Date Pilate to 18 CE
Replies: 75
Views: 40984

Re: Surprising List of Scholars Who Date Pilate to 18 CE

What I have missed so far is the evidence that the evangelists did see significance in a specific number of years between Jesus' crucifixion and the destruction of the Temple.
by neilgodfrey
Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark, the Jews and the destruction of the temple
Replies: 133
Views: 67223

Re: Mark, the Jews and the destruction of the temple

This reminds me of Hugh Schonfeld's "Passover Plot. Schonfeld argues that raising Lazarus from the dead was a dry run for Jesus' plot to fake his own death. He speculates that there was a drug used on Lazarus that Jesus also took when he was on the cross. This would have been the "vinegar...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Possibly the Ultimate Proof for Mythicism
Replies: 15
Views: 8740

Re: Possibly the Ultimate Proof for Mythicism

Stephan Huller wrote:Tests? Like what?
The usual sorts of tests applied to hypotheses. Example, predictions. If X then we would expect to find Y.

e.g. if Mark wrote with a chronological scheme in mind we would expect to find some pointer or reference to it in his gospel.
by neilgodfrey
Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Possibly the Ultimate Proof for Mythicism
Replies: 15
Views: 8740

Re: Possibly the Ultimate Proof for Mythicism

Have you considered tests that could be undertaken for this hypothesis?
by neilgodfrey
Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dreams of Any Kind You Please
Replies: 17
Views: 9032

Re: Dreams of Any Kind You Please

If the author was caught up in a series of persecutions and is executed along with the principal character, then the abrupt ending makes all the more sense and is more dramatic when the document is then discovered after the fact-as was the case with Acts of the Apostles. If, if, if . . . . all very...
by neilgodfrey
Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 606967

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

Well, Neil, you indicated a way out for Carrier on this mess, but that's not what someone would understand when reading it (less than 4 times!) . So reading with comprehension and according to the fundamentals of basic logic means I'm "finding a way out"? If I read with hostile intent I d...
by neilgodfrey
Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 606967

Re: Carrier's big gaffe in OHJ

First a reminder: 1 Corinthians 2:8 "None of the rulers [ 'archons' ] of this age understood this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." In his book, "On The Historicity Of Jesus" (OHJ) p. 190, Carrier made this startling remark , which would kill hi...