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by MrMacSon
Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:21 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: A collection of witnesses to the Marcionite texts.
Replies: 56
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Re: A collection of witnesses to the Marcionite texts.

wow. Thanks guys

Where is this from? -
DCHindley wrote:
FWIW:

According to the Marcionites, what follows (is sect) "42"

by MrMacSon
Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106438

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

A comment on Richard Carrier's blog: Alif: This paper [link below] deals with euhemerism as a theory that has been (mis-) treated in various ways by both ancient and modern writers. This theory, formulated by Euhemerus of Messene (late fourth century B.C.E.), maintained that Zeus and the other Olym...
by MrMacSon
Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106438

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

I think Carrier's usage of 'Euhemerized' is wrong if he thinks the product of the process can be a historicized ascending godman, but that this really doesn't impact his theory. There is no reason why someone couldn't create a story of a historicized ascending godman based on a celestial myth. It j...
by MrMacSon
Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106438

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

Wikipedia is a mess on it. This is interesting - http://onlinedigeditions.com/publication/?i=207716&p=32 "The early Christian euhemerism, on the other hand, concentrates on Euhemerus' earthly gods in order to show the superiority of the Christian God, but also to establish a clear-cut class...
by MrMacSon
Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106438

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

... Still, very strange he keeps getting the definition right ("gods are turned into historical men ") and the application wrong ("gods turned into historical ascended godman ") Well , he does say in that reply - " Consequently any historicizing of a God is doing what Euhem...
by MrMacSon
Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106438

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

I have read the Roubekas article on Celsus and if I understand well, it seems that Euhemerus was a rationalist insofar as his historical Uranus was not divine nor semi-divine while he was on Terra firma, and was deified post-mortem by the man Zeus because he was a ordinary king but benefactor of AL...
by MrMacSon
Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106438

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

Here is a link to a digital edition: What is Euhemerism? A Brief History of Research and Some Persisting Questions ”, Bulletin for the Study of Religion 43.2 (2014): 30-37. http://onlinedigeditions.com/publication/?i=207716&p=32 Cheers. From p 35 - "The early Christian euhemerism, on the o...
by MrMacSon
Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106438

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

... As far as I can see Euhemerus said the gods were once mortals ie. their origin was earthly. Yes, it seems Euhermerus said that, but falsely [/b]!! Surely, it makes no sense to turn this around to propose that the origin of the gods was heavenly and Euhemerus created an earthly existence for the...
by MrMacSon
Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106438

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

WHICH EUHEMERISM WILL YOU USE? NICKOLAS P. ROUBEKAS* This paper deals with euhemerism as a theory that has been (mis-) treated in various ways by both ancient and modern writers ... https://www.academia.edu/5792859/Which_Euhemerism_will_you_use_Celsus_on_the_Divine_Nature_of_Jesus . What Carrier ne...
by MrMacSon
Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106438

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

1 . Giuseppe says August 1, 2015 at 12:31 am ... But were there cases where the euhemerizer historicized a previous celestial god X but only not calling ‘X’ his fabricated human hero but renaming him Y? The question arises from the possibility (but, alas, it’s only a remote possibility) that the fi...