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- Thu May 28, 2015 4:33 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. . .
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Re: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. .
Fair enough. It'd be interesting to categorize those on the basis of the date of their extant texts. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04163.htm Book 3, Chapter 13 But it appears to me that Celsus has become acquainted with certain heresies which do not possess even the name of Jesus in common with ...
- Thu May 28, 2015 3:22 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: No pagans denied the unusual birth of Jesus?
- Replies: 5
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Re: No pagans denied the unusual birth of Jesus?
Talk about straining out the gnat and swallowing the camel... For Origen, the fact that the canonical gospels restrained themselves to describing *only* three resurrections speaks in their favor. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04162.htm (Against Celsus 2.48) And that He also raised the dead, and t...
- Thu May 28, 2015 1:17 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. . .
- Replies: 55
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Re: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. .
Most, if not all, Docetics and other Gnostics do not refer to Jesus That may be overstated. The data on 'docetics' has been presented here: http://www.earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1305 Some data on the names used by early Christians (including some of the NHL) has been presented ...
- Thu May 28, 2015 1:12 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John the Baptist passage authentic
- Replies: 46
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Re: John the Baptist passage authentic
I have an interest in stylometric analysis, in my case to test my hypotheses about redaction of Pauline letters, but based on the books I have consulted (more than a few, from A. Q. Morton to Anthony Kenny to Kenneth J. Neuman and a few stray articles on analysis of the Federalist Papers, etc.), it...
- Thu May 28, 2015 12:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John the Baptist passage authentic
- Replies: 46
- Views: 22154
Re: John the Baptist passage authentic
John or the Gospel of John is an added-on story? ?? The John in that passage = John the Baptist. Sorry, I meant "is the Gospel of John added on to the NT"? as in it has a different origin and is an arms-length story to the Synoptics. I don't completely understand. (Also, I don't understan...
- Thu May 28, 2015 12:54 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: possible references to docetic-type beliefs
- Replies: 76
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Re: possible references to docetic-type beliefs
Celsus (c. AD 170) focused on refuting 'docetism' (that Jesus had the 'body of a god'). http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04161.htm Chapter 69 After this, Celsus, confusing together the Christian doctrine and the opinions of some heretical sect, and bringing them forward as charges that were applicab...
- Thu May 28, 2015 12:01 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. . .
- Replies: 55
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Re: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. .
Here Origen very closely associates the 'title' of 'the Good' with God, speaking of "the name of God, or of the Good." Other, Hebrew names of God are also attributed to God; but in Greek, only "the Good" is attributed to God by Origen. And thus it will be found that, of the vario...
- Thu May 28, 2015 11:40 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John the Baptist passage authentic
- Replies: 46
- Views: 22154
Re: John the Baptist passage authentic
??MrMacSon wrote:John or the Gospel of John is an added-on story?
The John in that passage = John the Baptist.
- Wed May 27, 2015 11:50 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ante-Nicene Pilgrimage Sites
- Replies: 2
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Ante-Nicene Pilgrimage Sites
Origen says, around 248 CE, that a cave 'at Bethlehem' was being shown as the location of the birth of Jesus: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04161.htm With respect to the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem, if any one desires, after the prophecy of Micah and after the history recorded in the Gospels by t...
- Wed May 27, 2015 11:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Messiah != Son of God
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Messiah != Son of God
This is an interesting bit. In the earliest Christian writings (presumably Paul), 'Christ Jesus' and 'the Son of God' are equated fairly breezily.** In the third century, Origen wants to let us know that this is not something the Jews say about the Christ. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04161.htm ...