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- Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:13 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
- Replies: 88
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Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Celsus admitted there were discrepancies in the Gospels which is evidence that it was not the so-called heretics who altered the Gospels but Christian writers themselves. Against Celsus 2.32 And now, in finding fault with our Lord's genealogy, there are certain points which occasion some difficulty ...
- Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:31 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
- Replies: 88
- Views: 27969
Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
My main focus was on "... certain of the Christian believers ... have corrupted the Gospel from its original integrity, to a threefold, and fourfold, and many-fold degree, and have remodelled it , so that they might be able to answer objections . I think that is a pretty good support for the p...
- Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The start of the Jesus story
- Replies: 244
- Views: 95958
Re: The start of the Jesus story
The story of Herod the tetrach divorcing the daughter of Aretas to marry Herodias and the execution of John the Baptist is found in the works of Josephus. It is extremely important to understand that all the NT Gospels were composed at least after the writings of Josephus [at least after c 94 CE] s...
- Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:16 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The start of the Jesus story
- Replies: 244
- Views: 95958
Re: The start of the Jesus story
The story of Herod the tetrach divorcing the daughter of Aretas to marry Herodias and the execution of John the Baptist is found in the works of Josephus. It is extremely important to understand that all the NT Gospels were composed at least after the writings of Josephus [at least after c 94 CE] si...
- Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:07 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
- Replies: 44
- Views: 15729
Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
To Bernard Muller My post is a response to rgprice in this very thread. ....Then Luke came along, he had probably read Matthew and got the idea of a counter Gospel from him, and he also wanted to make an anti-Marcionite work, comprised of both a counter Gospel and a counter to Marcion's Apostolikon,...
- Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:29 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
- Replies: 44
- Views: 15729
Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
There was no "Apostolikon" at all by Marcion--none whatsoever. The very writings called "Against Marcion" in 5 books attributed to Tertullian do not claim anywhere that Marcion wrote an "Apostolikon". See "Against Marcion" http://www.tertullian.org/articles/ev...
- Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:52 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?
- Replies: 123
- Views: 34717
Re: Marcion versus Mark: who comes first?
It appears as if all of the Gospels are reacting to suppress an alternative and competing mode of veneration. I.E., the worship of John. The thrust is that John must be diminished. The ultimate expression of this is John 3:30. The Mandaeans seem to be the last remaining remnant of those who venerat...
- Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:48 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The start of the Jesus story
- Replies: 244
- Views: 95958
Re: The start of the Jesus story
In the so-called Pauline Epistles the writer boasts and guarantees that he did not get his Gospel from man, neither was taught by man but from revelations from the resurrected Jesus. Galatians 1:11 But I certify you [/b], brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I ...
- Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
- Replies: 23
- Views: 8843
Re: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
The Preaching of Peter mentions a character called Paul which means it is most likely a forgery and written no earlier than c 180 CE. Based on my research writings which mention Paul and the supposed Epistles are usually forgeries and have very little or no historical value.
- Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:02 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Demonstrating Q (Quelle) was a document and "Luke" did not know gMatthew.
- Replies: 83
- Views: 24168
Re: Demonstrating Q (Quelle) was a document and "Luke" did not know gMatthew.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-source_hypothesis#:~:text=The%20two%2Dsource%20hypothesis%20proposes,of%20Jesus%20known%20as%20Q. The "Two-source Hypothesis" proposes that the Gospels of Matthew and Luke were written independently, each using Mark and a second hypothetical document call...