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by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 307
Views: 52999

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

Russell Gmirkin says: 2021-10-31 17:25:59 GMT+0000 at 17:25 My starting-point for understanding the significance of the Jewish War to early Christianity is the book of Revelation, which appears to date to spring of 70 CE based on the failed prophecy of Rev. 11:2, which knew about the siege of Jerus...
by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 307
Views: 52999

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

1. Where in Paul is a reference to Jesus's having a human father (aside from perhaps David, which led to the strange "David's heavenly sperm model" from Dr. Carrier). When eyewitnesses were still alive, Paul wrote about a minimal Jesus (but also, for Paul, pre/post-existent as a heavenly ...
by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar?
Replies: 47
Views: 7146

Re: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar

Well, I don;t know how honest Paul was (generally speaking), but he does say in Gal. 1:13 that, " For you have heard of my former way of life in Judaism," which could mean that his credentials were known. From whom would Paul's audience have heard such things? In the absence of evidence t...
by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar?
Replies: 47
Views: 7146

Re: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar

Well, I don;t know how honest Paul was (generally speaking), but he does say in Gal. 1:13 that, " For you have heard of my former way of life in Judaism," which could mean that his credentials were known. From whom would Paul's audience have heard such things? In the absence of evidence t...
by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 307
Views: 52999

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

However Paul indicated Jesus had been a human (born from human parents) Cordially, Bernard Leaving aside all of the controversies about whether the references to brothers and born of a woman are interpolations (and in the case of brothers, referring to biological kinship), I have 2 questions. 1. Wh...
by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 29
Views: 5287

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

If the instigator called "Jesus" was deified rapidly by his followers, obviously his words (whatever they were) were to rise immediately to the rank of divine utterances. And reported faithfully as such. Not necessarily. Julius Caesar attracted a strong following and was murdered after wh...
by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar?
Replies: 47
Views: 7146

Re: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar

What then do you suppose Paul means by "the traditions of my fathers"? Do you think it is only a coincidence that this is what the oral Torah of the Pharisees is commonly called (including in the NT)? 1. Why assume that Paul was being honest rather than, like Yogi Bhajan, inflating his re...
by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 307
Views: 52999

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

I understand that karavan has posted within this thread again. However, because e is within my "ignore list", I am not seeing what e wrote - and, given eir consistent rudeness, unwillingness to read resources that I cited for em, distortion of my claims/arguments, and unwillingness to cite...
by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar?
Replies: 47
Views: 7146

Re: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar

And since the Sadducees rejected the traditions of the fathers, Paul cannot have been a Sadducee. And since Paul doesn't appear to have been an Essene to me, I think the best option is that he was a Pharisee. And most Jews then were Pharisaic (at least in Israel), just like today, and according to ...
by ABuddhist
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
Replies: 29
Views: 2524

Re: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?

Quasi in answer to your question, Neil has started a thread about the Book of Revelation being pro-Zealot and anti-Vespasian propaganda. Read in particular the comments of Gmirkin and Doudna on Vridar. Thanks, I'll have a look. Hardly one can deny that Revelation is bloodthirsty, more precisely thi...