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- Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:20 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
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Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Russell Gmirkin says: 2021-10-31 17:25:59 GMT+0000 at 17:25 My starting-point for understanding the significance of the Jewish War to early Christianity is the book of Revelation, which appears to date to spring of 70 CE based on the failed prophecy of Rev. 11:2, which knew about the siege of Jerus...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
- Replies: 307
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Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
1. Where in Paul is a reference to Jesus's having a human father (aside from perhaps David, which led to the strange "David's heavenly sperm model" from Dr. Carrier). When eyewitnesses were still alive, Paul wrote about a minimal Jesus (but also, for Paul, pre/post-existent as a heavenly ...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:23 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar?
- Replies: 47
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Re: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar
Well, I don;t know how honest Paul was (generally speaking), but he does say in Gal. 1:13 that, " For you have heard of my former way of life in Judaism," which could mean that his credentials were known. From whom would Paul's audience have heard such things? In the absence of evidence t...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:36 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar?
- Replies: 47
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Re: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar
Well, I don;t know how honest Paul was (generally speaking), but he does say in Gal. 1:13 that, " For you have heard of my former way of life in Judaism," which could mean that his credentials were known. From whom would Paul's audience have heard such things? In the absence of evidence t...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:12 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
- Replies: 307
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Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
However Paul indicated Jesus had been a human (born from human parents) Cordially, Bernard Leaving aside all of the controversies about whether the references to brothers and born of a woman are interpolations (and in the case of brothers, referring to biological kinship), I have 2 questions. 1. Wh...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:44 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
- Replies: 29
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Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
If the instigator called "Jesus" was deified rapidly by his followers, obviously his words (whatever they were) were to rise immediately to the rank of divine utterances. And reported faithfully as such. Not necessarily. Julius Caesar attracted a strong following and was murdered after wh...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:41 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar?
- Replies: 47
- Views: 7146
Re: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar
What then do you suppose Paul means by "the traditions of my fathers"? Do you think it is only a coincidence that this is what the oral Torah of the Pharisees is commonly called (including in the NT)? 1. Why assume that Paul was being honest rather than, like Yogi Bhajan, inflating his re...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:40 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
- Replies: 307
- Views: 52999
Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
I understand that karavan has posted within this thread again. However, because e is within my "ignore list", I am not seeing what e wrote - and, given eir consistent rudeness, unwillingness to read resources that I cited for em, distortion of my claims/arguments, and unwillingness to cite...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:07 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar?
- Replies: 47
- Views: 7146
Re: What evidence from Pauline Letters (aside from Paul's claims) do we have that he was a pharisee and a Jewish scholar
And since the Sadducees rejected the traditions of the fathers, Paul cannot have been a Sadducee. And since Paul doesn't appear to have been an Essene to me, I think the best option is that he was a Pharisee. And most Jews then were Pharisaic (at least in Israel), just like today, and according to ...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:34 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
- Replies: 29
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Re: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
Quasi in answer to your question, Neil has started a thread about the Book of Revelation being pro-Zealot and anti-Vespasian propaganda. Read in particular the comments of Gmirkin and Doudna on Vridar. Thanks, I'll have a look. Hardly one can deny that Revelation is bloodthirsty, more precisely thi...