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So is Irenaeus clearly citing Hegesippus in his list of Roman bishops in AH 3.3.3? Brent notes: "We note that in this passage [EH 4.22.7] Hegesippus gives no names of Roman bishops other than the three that were his contemporaries" (pg. 227). https://books.google.com/books?id=tmavAwAAQBAJ&...

Stephan wrote: "He cites Ignatius without mentioning a name. He eithet references Papas or Polycarp anonymously (the presbyter). He used Justin without crediting him. The list goes on and on. Not a valid objection." Granted, Behr does note that "it is not unusual for Irenaeus to cite ...

Wow, I hadn't seen that post yet. Interesting coincidence. It sounds like our heads are all on the same page at the moment, since my first reaction to your post was "Wow!" and then I saw Stephan's "wow."

I'm following this discussion with interest and thought I'd give my take on it thus far. First of all, what a fascinating character Ammonius Saccas is. I used to be into the history of Neoplatonism (and the emperor Julian and all that) but I had overlooked Ammonius, and he seems like a proto-Julian ...

Also, regarding Hegesippus' use of 1 Clement (at least according to Eusebius, for as Brent notes, "Hegesippus' fragment itself makes no mention of Clement": https://books.google.com/books?id=tmavAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA227&dq=hegesippus+roman+bishops+irenaeus&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUK...

Hey Ben, I was wondering if you could help clarify something for me. I've noticed that Eusebius' reference to Hegesippus using the Gospel of the Hebrews in EH 4.22.7 is translated at least two different ways and since I don't know Greek I can't tell which one gives the better sense of the passage, i...

This what I'm saying, that Irenaeus never mentions knowing Hegesippus, ever (unlike Papias).

Irenaues Against Heresies 5.33.4: "And these things are borne witness to in writing by Papias, the hearer of John, and a companion of Polycarp, in his fourth book; for there were five books compiled (συντεταγμένα) by him." http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103533.htm Jurgens: "Accordi...

Stephan wrote: "Oh I forgot. You didn't know that Irenaeus was engaged in 'mortal combat' with a prominent 'Valentinian' named Florinus and arranged Against Heresies undoubtedly to isolate Florinus from influence with Victor of Rome. Read a book on all of this and then come back to the discussi...

Maybe the difference is the "for no apparent reason" part, but still, I'd be curious to see what other commentaries on Matthew say.