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- Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 'Connecting Gospels: Beyond the Canonical/Non-Canonical Divide'
- Replies: 23
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Re: 'Connecting Gospels: Beyond the Canonical/Non-Canonical Divide'
As far as I know, the discussion of influences from Josephus focuses on Luke. I think Mark comes between 70 and 80, then Matthew likely comes between 90 and 110, with Luke likely between 100 and 140 and John between 110 and 150. Paul's letters are clearly written before the 1st war. Mark is clearly ...
- Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 'Connecting Gospels: Beyond the Canonical/Non-Canonical Divide'
- Replies: 23
- Views: 32711
Re: 'Connecting Gospels: Beyond the Canonical/Non-Canonical Divide'
Well, my view is that GMark was created some time between 70 and 80 CE, probably closer to 72ish. I think the First Jewish-Roman War is what prompted the writing. I don't support Marcionite priority. I don't think there was any proto-gospel narrative. I also don't support trying to push the writing ...
- Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:21 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 'Connecting Gospels: Beyond the Canonical/Non-Canonical Divide'
- Replies: 23
- Views: 32711
Re: 'Connecting Gospels: Beyond the Canonical/Non-Canonical Divide'
The heresies did not develop their doctrines from canonical Mark. If there is a longer Mark, which I support that it's likely, then canonical Mark is just a shortened version of it. The same still holds, everything is copied from some original Mark, which may have been longer than canonical Mark. T...
- Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:10 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 'Connecting Gospels: Beyond the Canonical/Non-Canonical Divide'
- Replies: 23
- Views: 32711
Re: 'Connecting Gospels: Beyond the Canonical/Non-Canonical Divide'
Well I do address the non-canonical gospels in my book, but my conclusion is that every single one of them is dependent on the Markan narrative. The "Gospel of Mark" was the first story, and everything else flows from it, canonical and non-canonical. the fourfold canonical gospel would be ...
- Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:50 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Could Christians Have Used the Title 'Son of Man' in a Way Independent of Daniel's Expectation?
- Replies: 32
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Re: Could Christians Have Used the Title 'Son of Man' in a Way Independent of Daniel's Expectation?
From what I see of it, "son of Man" just got incorporated because the author of Mark was using Daniel and other scriptures to build his narrative. Whoever wrote Mark is the one that introduced "son of Man" into the lexicon of Jesus worship via the literary references. The other G...
- Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:15 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Prediction...(Bart Ehrman)
- Replies: 7
- Views: 8170
Prediction...(Bart Ehrman)
Here's a prediction. One of these days Bart Ehrman is going to come out with a book in support of the mythicist position, it will be huge news, he'll sell millions of copies, and be all over the networks talking about it. If he's smart that's what he'll do. It's one of those things where lots of peo...
- Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:55 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
- Replies: 33
- Views: 20330
Re: Was the didachist an enemy of Paul's crucified Jesus?
Interesting. I'm not sure about the answer to this, but it's an amusing point. On a related tangent, the more I study this stuff, the more interesting ideas I come up with for stories or movies about Jesus. So far, some interesting ones: 1) A story about Jesus as criminal who was tricking people to ...
- Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:57 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
- Replies: 27
- Views: 29923
Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Right, but one thing to be cautious of is that many later Roman and Greek Christian apologists actually made the case that Jesus was more similar to the Greek and Roman gods than he really was in order to make the worship of Jesus seem less radical. They were like, "Oh you worship Jupiter, well...
- Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:57 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
- Replies: 27
- Views: 29923
Re: Jesus and other saviors/heroes
Except, as far as I know, Jewish stories didn't have a dying and resurrecting savior who performed miracles like turning water into wine and raising people from the dead and followers who performed a ritual(baptism) where they would identify with his death and resurrection. Jesus very closely resem...
- Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:28 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Who'sonfirst? GMark As Separationist
- Replies: 12
- Views: 28167
Re: Who'sonfirst? GMark As Separationist
I don't think GMark was either Separationist or Adoptionist. I think the writer of Mark knew that Jesus wasn't real and was just writing a fictional story. There was no intention of establishing doctrine. Later readers and copiers from GMark used elements of GMark's narrative to establish doctrines,...