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by Stuart
Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Clement and Nakedness Riddle Solved
Replies: 14
Views: 891

Re: Clement and Nakedness Riddle Solved

The point of this digression being that substitution cannot be early. Sorry if I am not taking notes correctly but I thought you were one of the gospel was written in the second century people. Definitely. I put Judas in the 3rd century. And I put Irenaeus' writings in the latter half of the 3rd ce...
by Stuart
Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Clement and Nakedness Riddle Solved
Replies: 14
Views: 891

Re: Clement and Nakedness Riddle Solved

The Arabic take (Muslim writer) is lifted from some revision of the gospel of Judas. It's in the Cainite stream of literature (Irenaeus AH 1. 31.1). Basilides does not travel this path from everything we have in the Patristic writings about him. From a theological developmental standpoint, the subst...
by Stuart
Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?
Replies: 53
Views: 5701

Re: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?

The flaw with logia theories, of which your Thomas is one, is that it requires a purpose for a collection of sayings and its circulation. Where did it come from? What assumptions does it make of the reader? It doesn't take much investigating down these avenues blows wide gaping holes in the concept ...
by Stuart
Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?
Replies: 53
Views: 5701

Re: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?

You should read up more on the Synoptic theory. There are literally dozens of proposed models, although only three or four get any airplay. Over the last two hundred fifty years a number of people who have proposed various prototypes. Even your theory (basically a logia model) falls into a category...
by Stuart
Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?
Replies: 53
Views: 5701

Re: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?

You should read up more on the Synoptic theory. There are literally dozens of proposed models, although only three or four get any airplay. Over the last two hundred fifty years a number of people who have proposed various prototypes. Even your theory (basically a logia model) falls into a category ...
by Stuart
Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?
Replies: 53
Views: 5701

Re: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?

The Marcionites were but one of many antinomon sects Perhaps, but when ? Based on the understanding in Galatians of how slavery is passed by the mother's status and not the father's, it has to be after Hadrian's ruling on the subject, which overturned Claudius' (Claudius made a number of poor rulin...
by Stuart
Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?
Replies: 53
Views: 5701

Re: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?

Any gospel that blames the Jews is pushing the Marcionite needle. There are other considerations namely the Flying Jesus passages The Marcionites were but one of many antinomon sects. Amongst all your assertions, you don't provide even one viable alternative to*Ev Nor do you pay attention to the fa...
by Stuart
Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?
Replies: 53
Views: 5701

Re: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?

Flying Jesus scene is paralleled by flying Simon Magus and Simon Peter in the pseudo Clement saga. Both seem to be from the same era (4th century, 3rd at the earliest) and probably both draw from some pagan satirical work or perhaps some anti-Mani work, long lost to history.
by Stuart
Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?
Replies: 53
Views: 5701

Re: The Diatessaron Knows the Marcionite Gospel?

Any gospel that blames the Jews is pushing the Marcionite needle. There are other considerations namely the Flying Jesus passages The Marcionites were but one of many antinomon sects. The Marcionite gospel is far less anti-Jewish than say the first version of the gospel of John, and even the receiv...
by Stuart
Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Cerdo as Anti-Christ
Replies: 6
Views: 653

Re: Cerdo as Anti-Christ

This is a very wrong understanding. Clement is quoting Philippians 1:21 Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain . ἐμοὶ γὰρ τὸ ζῆν Χριστὸς καὶ τὸ ἀποθανεῖν κέρδος . The sentiment is explained in Philippians 3:7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted ...