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by MrMacSon
Fri Mar 15, 2024 4:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: wilderness = order (?)
Replies: 3
Views: 149

Re: wilderness = order (?)

The Greek interlinear has ἔρημον - erēmon - in Mk 1:12 and ἐρήμῳ - erēmō - (Strongs 2048 ) in Mk:13 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/1.htm Strongs says it's an Adjective : "of a person: deserted, abandoned, desolate" Thayer's Greek Lexicon 1. adjective solitary, lonely, desolate, unin...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

I agree with Jospeh D. L. Moreover, a discernible center as I see it is, as some others, such as April Deconick,* have seen it, is the key mid-to-late 2nd century church fathers as they're traditionally portrayed, mainly Justin Martyr and Irenaeus, and early 3rd century texts of Clement of Alexandri...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: wilderness = order (?)
Replies: 3
Views: 149

wilderness = order (?)

... מדבר, midvar ( Strong's #4057 ), mean [ s ] a " wilderness ". In the ancient Hebrew mind the wilderness , in contrast to the cities, is a place of order . https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/definition/word.htm Like the Hebrew noun דבר ( davar , Strong's #1697 ), translated as "word&q...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Sacrifice of Jesus to "purchase" our souls from???
Replies: 17
Views: 409

Re: Sacrifice of Jesus to "purchase" our souls from???

This issue of the sacrifice of Jesus being the price paid to purchase mankind from a possessor is I think extremely important. Indeed I think this matter lies at the heart of understanding the Pauline scriptures. Here is what Origen has to say about the matter: Without doubt you confess it to be tr...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:00 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
Replies: 19
Views: 449

Re: Two Powers in Heaven

Apparently, Segal saw " . ‘two powers in heaven’ as a very early category of heresy, earlier than Jesus, if Philo is a trustworthy witness"; as "one of the basic categories by which the rabbis perceived the new phenomenon of Christianity"; and as "one of the central issues o...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 14, 2024 7:00 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
Replies: 19
Views: 449

Re: Two Powers in Heaven

In 2012, Daniel Boyarin released The Jewish Gospels: The Story of the Jewish Christ , in which he argued that so-called “binitarianism” (the idea that there exist two equal/co-ruling powers in heaven) is present in Jewish thought before the New Testament and early Christianity, a fact that explains...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:38 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
Replies: 19
Views: 449

Re: Two Powers in Heaven

1. Two Powers in Heaven : Early Rabbinic Reports About Christianity and Gnosticism by Alan F. Segal "Segal sheds light upon the development of and relationships among early Christianity, Gnosticism, and Merkabah mysticism and demonstrates that belief in the "two powers in heaven" was ...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:39 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
Replies: 19
Views: 449

Two Powers in Heaven

Books on this 1. Two Powers in Heaven : Early Rabbinic Reports About Christianity and Gnosticism by Alan F. Segal, Baylor University Press, 2012 (part of a Library of Early Christology series) a,b I think this was originally published in 1977 by Brill https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0B9B2674J?binding=...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

Marcion theory has first gospel c. 140 CE when Marcion put together his * e v. I'm not sure we can be sure of that date. And we can't be sure Marcion wrote the * e v (though I think Markus Vinzent's reasons for thinking he did are cogent). I don't think we can be sure when gMark was written, either...
by MrMacSon
Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Meaning of Nazareth?
Replies: 113
Views: 93560

Re: Meaning of Nazareth?

Judges 13 . 5 in context: 1. Again the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord delivered them into the hand of the Philistines for forty years. 2 Now there was a certain man from Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren and had n...