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by MrMacSon
Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Outstretched hands and The Cross
Replies: 85
Views: 66373

Re: Outstretched hands and The Cross

A variation of the outstretch hands motif - hands stretched forth against the son - Ascension of Isaiah 9:14: And the ruler of that world, by the hand of his son, stretches out his hands against him, and they hang him on the wood, and he kills him not knowing who he is. and a variation on Ascension ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Outstretched hands and The Cross
Replies: 85
Views: 66373

Re: Outstretched hands and The Cross

The orans / Orans (or orant or orante) is a posture or bodily attitude of prayer, usually standing, with the elbows bent, often close to the sides of the body, and with the hands outstretched sideways, palms up [Herbermann, Charles, ed. (1913), 'Orans' , Catholic Encyclopedia . New York: Robert Appl...
by MrMacSon
Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity
Replies: 113
Views: 9067

Re: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity

The proto-orthodoxy can be seen as a summing together of various divergent views into something new rather than a direct continuation of some original tradition - because its own texts contain divergent views and differences , not least 4 gospels instead of one! Yep, good points. Winner, winner, ch...
by MrMacSon
Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity
Replies: 113
Views: 9067

Re: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity

I think this is very good - Here's some of what seems worth repeating: 1. The letters of Paul are relatively early. They may be heavily interpolated. They might be post-gospel forgeries. They may or may not be actual letters. But, in their original form, even on a hypothesis that puts them post-gosp...
by MrMacSon
Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Sons of Thunder
Replies: 3
Views: 1957

Re: The Sons of Thunder

Mark 1 15 Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. 17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men. 18 And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him. 19 And ...
by MrMacSon
Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity
Replies: 113
Views: 9067

Re: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity

Christianity first had influence on the emperor during the reign of Commodus (180-193). Hippolytus ... Cassius Dio ... Herodian ... I think stated interactions with or influences on or by emperors before the 4th century, * such as Justin Martyr's Apologies being addressed to the emperor Antoninus P...
by MrMacSon
Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity
Replies: 113
Views: 9067

Re: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity

Origen might also be in the same boat. There are some who queries whether an Origen was split into two characters or if one of his supposed teachers, a certain Ammonius [Saccas], had been (or both, or neither). With one of the split characters being an embellished Christianised version (see Origen ...
by MrMacSon
Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity
Replies: 113
Views: 9067

Re: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity

- Archaeologists have found Christian texts or art carbon-dated or otherwise scientifically dated to the 1st two centuries AD. It'd be good to have specifics ... I'm hesitant to call that indisputable, but it's generally the kind of thing people agree on. For example, we have papyrus pieces from th...
by MrMacSon
Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity
Replies: 113
Views: 9067

Re: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity

Regardless, I have generally found that people do accept that the works of Eusebius were actually by him, and most do not dance in the moonlight of suspicion when it comes to the history of early Christianity from the fourth century and forward. As a matter of actual practice, the ante-Nicene texts...