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- Mon May 01, 2023 5:49 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
- Replies: 92
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Re: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
Even if that were so I don't need to provide evidence that there is no good evidence. That's your job. Show me the good evidence for your claim that the Hebrew is based on Greek terminology. But you were the one claiming that there is no evidence that there is any evidence of Greek influence upon t...
- Mon May 01, 2023 5:46 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
- Replies: 92
- Views: 7008
Re: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
Ciutation needed.Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 5:44 pm Gmirkin cited an alleged Greek influence on the Hebrew text where the alleged Greek original term ISN'T found in the LXX.
- Mon May 01, 2023 5:46 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
- Replies: 92
- Views: 7008
Re: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
I know that Gmirkin defended his claims about Greek influence on the Hebrew here at the forum with a terrible argument that didn't work. If that's his strongest argument (which you'd figure it was). Shooting blanks. 1. Why was it terrible? 2. I would assume that he would reserve his strongest argum...
- Mon May 01, 2023 5:44 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
- Replies: 92
- Views: 7008
Re: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
There is no evidence that the Hebrew of the Pentateuch is based on or was influenced by the Greek language. Just a fact. 1. Citation needed. 2. Even if that were so, that proves nothing beyond the fact that the writers of the Pentateuch were intelligent enough to realize that putting Greek-derived ...
- Mon May 01, 2023 5:40 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
- Replies: 92
- Views: 7008
Re: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
Why should I believe you about this? I just explained. If you reject Aristeas's account of the LXX being a translation rather than an account of the creation of the exemplar of the Pentateuch, how can you date the composition to the earliest date possible based on a text you've just rejected? That'...
- Mon May 01, 2023 5:38 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
- Replies: 92
- Views: 7008
Re: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
If we accept Aristeas's story as basically true you can perhaps say it was the earliest date possible. But if you're arguing Aristeas is inaccurate about the text being a translation and it really was this Alexandrian library visit composition then Aristeas can't be relied upon for a date either. I...
- Mon May 01, 2023 5:32 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
- Replies: 92
- Views: 7008
Re: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
Why should I believe you about this?
- Mon May 01, 2023 5:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is the claim that Jesus's historicity is irrelevant for Christian origins as controversial as mythicism is?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 12225
Re: Is the claim that Jesus's historicity is irrelevant for Christian origins as controversial as mythicism is?
Ancient novels, in which fictional characters and situations took place in real historical settings, existed Name me an ancient religion developed around a novel. Why limit it to ancient religions? Mormonism is a religion based upon a novel which its followers think to be true. In the same way, the...
- Mon May 01, 2023 5:25 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
- Replies: 92
- Views: 7008
Re: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
But why do we allow Gmirkin to "cheat" and rescue 270 BCE from the Aristeas story and throw the rest away (it being a translation rather than an original composition). 250 BCE + or - fifty years is basically the same as 270 - 220 BCE. Gmirkin has written a book setting out his reasoningfo...
- Mon May 01, 2023 5:23 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
- Replies: 92
- Views: 7008
Re: Plato and the Creation of a Classical Historian
That's the thing about this theory. It counts on bad faith to work. If someone is honest having a fragment of Exodus in the fucking desert from around 250 BCE of a different text type (MT rather than LXX) already makes the theory untenable. But as I said, it counts on dishonesty. It counts on peopl...