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- Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:17 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
- Replies: 62
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Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
You have failed completely to explain how could the "doctrine of Jesus" be found in the archives of public memories. It hardly matters. Ignatius said "it is written". So whatever the archives are, Ignatius found them. Some people didn't, but Ignatius did. In the archives of publ...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:11 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
- Replies: 62
- Views: 855
Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Where do you get the idea that Ignatius is rejecting them? do you realize the irony by Reinach? So Ignatius would throw the Old Testament overboard? It would be the case to say: already! The "archives" cannot be the Old Testament because otherwise Ignatius would have rejected them, by ans...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:35 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
- Replies: 62
- Views: 855
Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
if the 'archives' are a reference to Jewish Scriptures, then it would be unthinkable for Ignaius reject them all under the pretext that the archive is Jesus Christ, not when he had to insist on the continuity between Jewish Scriptures and the Jesus against the docetics who would have willingly reje...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:16 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 309
Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Thanks for finding those examples, Peter.Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 3:01 pm This looks like a reference to a Jewish scripture (the book of Job) being placed ἐν τοῖς ἀρχείοις.
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 2:53 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 309
Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
So it doesn't matter for my argument how the word is translated, as long as the word doesn't exclude holy texts. It would be easier to support your argument, GakuseiDon, if you could show other references to this particular word in Greek in the context of a building/location that was housing Jewish...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:47 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 309
Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
The following is IMHO the greatest contribution by DCH to the forum (my bold): ... Why couldn't these fine folks have been suggesting that unless it is something affecting their locale directly, it is not important to them? There were no "public libraries" in the Roman empire, except mayb...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 309
Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Ignatius, IMO, is arguing that Christ's crucifixion, death and resurrection can be found predicted in the ancient Scriptures . you are using the wrong translation. The Greek text reads arxeia , i.e. archives , public memories, not holy texts. Think about the sources used by Josephus to write Antiqu...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:42 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 309
Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:38 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 309
Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
So it is an argument about whether the doctrine of Christ can be found in the ancient texts, not about Christ himself. even when Ignatius says that "the archive is Jesus Christ" himself? How can "Jesus Christ" be a doctrine in this case, when mention is made of archives (=public...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:04 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 309
Re: Where I diverge from Bruno Bauer
Answer to the second point) "Ignatius" is evidence that the Christians couldn't find nothing in the archives (= public memories ) that could prove even only a bit of the gospel: When I heard some saying, If I do not find it in the archives , I will not believe the Gospel; on my saying to ...