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by yakovzutolmai
Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Chrestians/Christians, Paul, the War, Titus, Valliant, etc.
Replies: 11
Views: 868

Re: Chrestians/Christians, Paul, the War, Titus, Valliant, etc.

Valliant and Atwill seem fixated on some idea that there was some real Jesus person and he was a rebel, etc., blah, blah, blah. I think that's all nonsense. However, they may have hit upon something that may have some merit. Namely, the idea that "Christianity" as we know it developed out...
by yakovzutolmai
Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Tatian As The Father Of Catholicism; Geneology Of Gnosticism
Replies: 2
Views: 318

Re: Tatian As The Father Of Catholicism; Geneology Of Gnosticism

Question: Could Tatian's Diatessaron have been Marcion's Gospel? The association of Syria with Marcionites until the third century conforms to this. However, our history of Marcionism is an inversion of what we see here. The Diatessaron being a Gnostic product brought into the anti-Gnostic East. Whe...
by yakovzutolmai
Tue Jan 03, 2023 2:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Tatian As The Father Of Catholicism; Geneology Of Gnosticism
Replies: 2
Views: 318

Re: Tatian As The Father Of Catholicism; Geneology Of Gnosticism

I want to add a note about idiosyncratic beliefs. That is, the angels people talk about, the particular patterns and forms and mythological figures associated with certain ideas. I am assuming that within the regional milieu, there are mythological types which resonate for both Syrians and Jews, but...
by yakovzutolmai
Tue Jan 03, 2023 2:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Tatian As The Father Of Catholicism; Geneology Of Gnosticism
Replies: 2
Views: 318

Tatian As The Father Of Catholicism; Geneology Of Gnosticism

Consistent with my focus on first century Jewish Mesopotamia as an important locus for explaining Christian origins, I recently discovered that the sect of Elchasai can be correlated very directly to the disaster facing Mesopotamian Jews at the end of the Kitos War. This is dramatically emphasized b...
by yakovzutolmai
Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Could Nicaea's Outcome Have Been The Reverse?
Replies: 21
Views: 1732

Re: Could Nicaea's Outcome Have Been The Reverse?

I think the Roman empire was embroiled in a massive controversy over which Jesus Story Books were to be regarded as more important than the other Jesus Story Books. This controversy today is called the Arian controversy however I believe that it was far more controversial than the "church hist...
by yakovzutolmai
Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From Chrestian to Christian - Philip beyond the grave
Replies: 35
Views: 3705

Re: From Chrestian to Christian - Philip beyond the grave

Your opinions are worthless, but also entirely unrelated to the topic at hand I'll leave you to your orb-gazing, sir. Maybe one day your crossword puzzle solution will win you an award. EDIT: I see I may have fallen victim to heightened enervation stemming from a conversation in which I was not tak...
by yakovzutolmai
Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Book Of Elchasai; Kitos War's End Begins Christianity
Replies: 17
Views: 1378

Re: Book Of Elchasai; Kitos War's End Begins Christianity

I have had a suspicion which is that radical, violent, zealous "Jamesianism" from the Jewish War continued in the Kitos War. Rome's response ended zealotry as a particular movement. What makes you suspect that "Jamesianism" was violent? If you are referring to Jesus' brother in ...
by yakovzutolmai
Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Book Of Elchasai; Kitos War's End Begins Christianity
Replies: 17
Views: 1378

Re: Book Of Elchasai; Kitos War's End Begins Christianity

IIRC, Chris Palmero also places Mark's gospel after Kitos War. The Flavian provenance theory leaves room for it to maybe have been earlier. I think there is a strong Western tradition centered on Alexandria and Hellas, which was what you might call Judeo-Hellenic Gnosticism. The more historicist an...
by yakovzutolmai
Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From Chrestian to Christian - Philip beyond the grave
Replies: 35
Views: 3705

Re: From Chrestian to Christian - Philip beyond the grave

I take it that a "nationalist" is ἐθνικός (éthnos, “tribe, country, nation”) ? Isenberg, Barnstone and Meyer translates it as "Gentile". Which is the term Christians through to Eusebius (perhaps further) used to mean the Hellenes or the graeco-Roman "nation". The Chris...
by yakovzutolmai
Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Book Of Elchasai; Kitos War's End Begins Christianity
Replies: 17
Views: 1378

Book Of Elchasai; Kitos War's End Begins Christianity

Elchasai has always interested me. For one, he is attributed to the split between the Nazarenes off of the Essenes. This is probably appropriate since our best reconstruction of what the Nazarenes were like comes in the form of the Mandean community. The book of Elchasai is a work of literature cons...