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- Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:18 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 169
Re: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
My point here is different: Even assuming the more subtle concession a conservative reader may give to the storm called Marcion, i.e. that both Marcion and Luke are based on a proto-Luke (in turn based on Matthew), the result is still a strong shadow of doubt on the certainty that a first gospel (Ma...
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 169
Re: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
My point is more sound: once a canonical synoptic gospel is placed around the time of Marcion (second century) there are no reasons to place the others (one or all) still in the first century.
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:40 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 169
What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
Apart conservatives who think that not even Luke's priority is touched by Marcion (and not even partially), what is left after the passage of the storm called Marcion? Put simply, what is definitely collapsed is the certainty that some gospels can be still dated in the first century CE. This is corr...
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:05 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 215
Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
It would be interesting to know the answer by the people who already consider 'called Christ' in 20:200 a Christian interpolation. Afterall, just as 'called Christ' breaks the context (the brother of Jesus ben Damneus being the victim of Ananus), a similar breaking of the context is in action in Gal...
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:55 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ritual aesthetic surgery
- Replies: 6
- Views: 143
Re: Ritual aesthetic surgery
My difficulty in accepting it (even if I may think of Jesus being human, but atemporal, for other reasons in Paul), is that if you think that "born by woman" is genuine, then accordingly you have to conclude that probably Marcion removed the birth from Luke (i.e. Luke precedes *Ev). But th...
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:35 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ritual aesthetic surgery
- Replies: 6
- Views: 143
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:57 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ritual aesthetic surgery
- Replies: 6
- Views: 143
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:13 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 592
Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
So you now accept my argument that Jesus' explicit statement that the deaf hear in Matt 11.4-5 and Luke 7.22 works only if there were an explicit story of Jesus curing a deaf person earlier, which Matthew has at Matt 9.32-34, while Luke has no such story? a thing is the comparison between actions a...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:55 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
- Replies: 21
- Views: 313
Re: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
Not so late, however. Since in proto-John the Paraclete is Marcion.
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:49 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 592
Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
The argument is not that verse 4:15 is designed to explain completely the verse 4:14. The argument is that the explicit epitet of 'physician' requires an equally explicit exorcism story before the episode of Nazareth. It can't require an implicit hearsay about previous exorcisms, because even the na...