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- Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:51 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Who benefits if Paul is entirely fabricated?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 234
Re: Who benefits if Paul is entirely fabricated?
Hebrews pre-70 1 / priority of John 1,2 could be an interesting alternative in that scenario. And the priority of the Book of Revelation 1 Hebrews (+/- John or Revelation) need not be pre-70, either (but it wouldn't matter if they were) 2 the book attributed to 'John' might be preceded by the epist...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:08 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
- Replies: 26
- Views: 1233
Re: Two Powers in Heaven
You gotta love Andrei Orlov. One issue I see, though, is that Hekhalot literature as written texts are rather late (near the end of the Roman hegonomy over the east) Sure, but Peter Schäfer and Orlov both situate the genesis of the concept of 'Two Powers in Heaven' in the pre-Christian era: in the ...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:42 pm
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
- Replies: 26
- Views: 1233
Re: Two Powers in Heaven
Andrei A. Orlov notes in a chapter in the book, Wisdom Poured Out Like Water: Studies on Jewish and Christian Antiquity in Honor of Gabriele Boccaccini, De Gruyter, 2018: Andrei A. Orlov 23 Two Powers in Heaven… Manifested Introduction In recent decades there has been an increased scholarly interes...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
- Replies: 35
- Views: 944
Re: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
This one (3-4 mths ago) with Jack B, Mark Bilby, Jason BeDuhn and Markus Vinzent is interesting (though might not touch on Ignatius)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWfQEGQeaXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWfQEGQeaXU
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:15 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
- Replies: 27
- Views: 529
Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part)?
I don't know about Paul "being" Marcion. But really it's hard to say much about any of this. I mean it's not even clear if Marcion was a real person. Sure (it's speculative). But one could also make the claim that Paul was not a real person: Paul, Marcion, and most of the figures in the P...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:03 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Isaac Abarbanel and Marcion
- Replies: 1
- Views: 74
Re: Isaac Abarbanel and Marcion
Irenaeus tells us of the Marcosian (followers of Mark) interpretation of the latter chapters of Daniel ... Abarbanel remembers something that might explain the Marcionite interest in the epithet "strange/stranger" for Jesus. Abarbanel (c. 1500 CE) writes the following: ... The Gematria of...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 5:12 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev
- Replies: 23
- Views: 463
Re: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev
Just thinking through this: 1. Marcion claims to have the original Gospel preached by Paul. Creator God of Judaism is not the true God. No attribution to the Gospel other than perhaps 'Paul'. 2. Proto-orthodox then take that Gospel, assign attribution to Luke, a follower of Paul, 1 and then add 'Ju...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
- Replies: 27
- Views: 529
re: Was Paul Marcion?
Yes I think so. I think Paul was Mark and somehow the name "Marcion" is derived from Mark perhaps owing to it being a diminutive. But hard to prove. Cheers. I have had the Markion = Mark thing in mind for a while. And the idea that Markion priority vs Mark priority might well be a false d...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:55 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
- Replies: 27
- Views: 529
Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
Could some, much, most or even all the accounts of Paul be accounts about Marcion? or mostly about a Marcionite? The shipping expeditions, etc,? The references to other teachings may be references to subsequent orthodox teachers? Even Peter and James (& John) - who Paul disses - may represent or...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:30 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: BeDuhn: Marcion's instrumentum as "Charter Documents"
- Replies: 6
- Views: 210
Re: BeDuhn: Marcion's instrumentum as "Charter Documents"
From Jason Beduhn, "Marcion's Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?", New Testament Studies (March 2017), issue #2, volume 63, pp. 324-329. What then explains this peculiar selection 1 that first Marcion and then his opponents considered Christian scripture? ... 1 to clar...