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rgprice wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:15 am But its pretty obvious that Luke 1 & 2 are additions

This can be explained as part of Luke's expansion of *Ev and the other gospels.

The Luke 3 stuff (apart from a bit of Luke 3:1) can be additionally from this same author.

Alright, then I still tend to think Basilides is best explained as knowing Luke. 3) There is a third text in which Basilides appears to be commenting on the text of Luke, which is found in (Pseudo) Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, given here with David Litwa’s translation: ὁπότε οὖν ἔδει ἀρθῆ...

There's always another 'possible' hypothetical. How is this (so far undefined) "proto-Luke" a better hypothesis?

Origen: "if any one who is a man mortifies the lusts of manhood ... he the greatest in the kingdom of heaven." Commentary on Matthew 13.16 "For Jesus called a little child," [Matthew 18:2] etc. But first we may expound it in simple fashion. One, expounding the word of the Saviour...

According to Origen in the Commentary on Matthew, the prince of this age, however, acted out of ignorance, "since none of them knew the wisdom of God which was hidden in a mystery." [1 Corinthians 2:7-8] Let it be granted, then, that, as in the case of Job, the Father first delivered up th...

Origen writes that Jesus is first delivered up by God, to "the prince of this age" and the rest, and "then by them delivered into the hands of men who would slay Him." Origen, Commentary on Matthew , 13.8 As for these matters let us inquire by what person or persons He will be de...

I think earliest belief was a mythological Jesus per Paul's original letters, as explained by Richard Carrier's Jesus from Outer Space. Seems to be the general tenor of the responses. A sign of the times that Marcionites-first is rejected not because of mainstream scholarship, but because it isn't ...

4) That's the $64,000 question. I suspect that originally this was a mystery cult in which these was intentionally nebulous. It is pretty clear that there are three primary actors in the Pauline letters: God the Father, his Son Jesus, and the "Lord of this world". God the Father's Son was...

No the Odes are just not having it. Originally it was the Spirit that came down out of heaven (ding ding, that's what happens in the gospel right?) to humans including Jesus who seem to have been chosen by it, or some such. The Marcionites had a problem to solve and went for the "came down fro...

But to simplify the idea in the OP, the first connection between Marcion and Luke could have been that Marcion called Luke a fake and knew that Luke was a fake because it was recent and a fake. This is the "Marcion shot first" theory.