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by Peter Kirby
Mon May 17, 2021 12:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: They would not have crucified the Lord of Glory
Replies: 46
Views: 2553

Re: They would not have crucified the Lord of Glory

Giuseppe wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 9:10 pm
Peter Kirby wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 5:18 pm I believe you're correct in affirming that the phrase in 1 Corinthians is ambiguous.
Drpge claims that it is not ambiguous.
What makes it unambiguous?
by Peter Kirby
Mon May 17, 2021 12:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: They would not have crucified the Lord of Glory
Replies: 46
Views: 2553

Re: They would not have crucified the Lord of Glory

But it is written in what I call 'mythic' language. I'm reminded of "The Strange Silence of Samuel Rutherford": https://bcharchive.org/3/thearchives/showthread51a6-4.html I think the pattern of incidental mention / non-mention of certain details ends up being a lot more relevant than the ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun May 16, 2021 5:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: They would not have crucified the Lord of Glory
Replies: 46
Views: 2553

Re: They would not have crucified the Lord of Glory

That's correct. A lot of the early literature, even those granted as 'historicists' like 2 Peter, presents these events in 'mythic' fashion rather than as historical details. No firm dates, no place names, no actual descriptions. If 2 Peter had referred to the rulers who crucified Christ, then I'd ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun May 16, 2021 6:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What was Marcion's Gospel?
Replies: 63
Views: 4064

Re: What was Marcion's Gospel?

There is a long section of Luke that is almost entirely absent from Mark, starting from Luke 9:51. The comments of Tertullian and especially Epiphanius tend to imply that the text contained the section... in that they cover the section. Peter, I have never heard this before. Can you cite the places...
by Peter Kirby
Sun May 16, 2021 6:15 am
Forum: Eastern Texts and History
Topic: Did the Buddha Exist?
Replies: 2
Views: 600

Re: Did the Buddha Exist?

This is indeed the same thing that this blogger noticed: https://dhivanthomasjones.wordpress.com/2019/07/14/did-the-buddha-exist-contemporary-scholarly-debate-about-the-historical-buddha/ According to both Wynne and Levman, there is massive amounts of evidence for a historical personality of the Bud...
by Peter Kirby
Sun May 16, 2021 6:09 am
Forum: Eastern Texts and History
Topic: Did the Buddha Exist?
Replies: 2
Views: 600

Did the Buddha Exist?

Alexander Wynne takes on the skeptics in this article: https://www.buddhistuniversity.net/content/articles/did-the-buddha-exist_wynne Those who've followed similar debates will notice a number of familiar tropes. As in most of these discussions, the meta question -- what is historical evidence? -- l...
by Peter Kirby
Sun May 16, 2021 5:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What was Marcion's Gospel?
Replies: 63
Views: 4064

Re: What was Marcion's Gospel?

But a Luke minus the birth narrative - isn't that almost identical to Mark to all intents and purposes??? There is a long section of Luke that is almost entirely absent from Mark, starting from Luke 9:51. The comments of Tertullian and especially Epiphanius tend to imply that the text contained the...
by Peter Kirby
Sun May 16, 2021 1:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What was Marcion's Gospel?
Replies: 63
Views: 4064

What was Marcion's Gospel?

I'm wondering what people here think. The most common view seems to be that the text was similar to the Gospel of Luke. Then its relationship to the synoptics might be: Post-Luke: written after all the synoptics Pre-Luke: written after Mark but before Luke (on the idea of Markan priority) Pre-Mark: ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun May 16, 2021 12:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul innocent or a liar?
Replies: 12
Views: 1049

Re: Was Paul innocent or a liar?

Historicists are inclined to see Paul as a Great Liar, one who deliberately eclipsed the historical Jesus because something had to be hidden. In a page facebook of an academic, I read something as: "I am with Jesus, not with Paul". The immediate context was a list of antithetis between &q...
by Peter Kirby
Sat May 15, 2021 8:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: They would not have crucified the Lord of Glory
Replies: 46
Views: 2553

Re: They would not have crucified the Lord of Glory

Giuseppe wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 8:48 pm Paradoxically, precisely the fact that 2nd century Valentinians had a celestial crucifixion of Jesus in outer space, according to Droge, makes it more probable that the historical Paul placed the crucifixion on the earth.
Paradoxically, indeed... i.e., illogically.