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by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 37
Views: 351

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

Mark makes it clear the identity of the god who sent the spirit who defended Jesus against the temptations in the wilderness who otherwise would have won his human nature: And a voice came from heaven: “ You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased .” At once the Spirit sent him out into...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 37
Views: 351

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

If the Temptation Story didn't target Marcion and was a mere general innocent concept, then how do you explain this curious "signature" by Mark ? But the Mark's solution betrayes the presence of Marcionites who would have accused easily: humanity == infection of sin. Mark's answer: humani...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 37
Views: 351

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

If the Temptation Story didn't target Marcion and was a mere general innocent concept, then how do you explain this curious "signature" by Mark ? But the Mark's solution betrayes the presence of Marcionites who would have accused easily: humanity == infection of sin. Mark's answer: humanit...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 37
Views: 351

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

And somehow only Marcionites ever considered the idea that humans are sinful, so it relates to Marcionism... that is indeed the implication, since it is a fact that "only Marcionites ever considered the idea that human births are sinful , so the birth via holy spirit relates to Marcionism"...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 37
Views: 351

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

(...continuing...) Mark emphasizes the difference between the Jesus before the baptism, a sinful Jesus in need of purification via baptism ...and the Jesus after the baptism: a Jesus defended successfully by the holy spirit against the temptations in the wilderness. Hence it is self-evident that Mar...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 37
Views: 351

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

If Hebrews doesn't persuade you, what about Romans 8:3 ? For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering Marcion interpreted this verse to mean docetism : Jesus only appeared to be in the s...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 37
Views: 351

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

Hebrews is working out a concept of a perfect sacrifice, in order to provide an explanation of how Jesus replaced once and for all the use of sacrifices. are you aware of Turmel's case for the Hebrews's passage being anti-marcionite? We read in II, 16-17 the following observation: “Surely it is not...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri
Replies: 2
Views: 105

Re: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri

The intriguing hypothesis advanced by this book, even if his author is strongly indebted to Rene Salm, is that Jesus was parodied as Dositheus. Both are said to be followers of John the Baptist Both are accused to have learned magic in Egypt Both are said to be connected with Simon Magus I don't fol...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 37
Views: 351

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

In the original story, it was John who was tempted by Satan, not Jesus speculation is free in recostructing lost proto-gospels, but in this confusion I get up to a certainty: more precisely, I see a trend from a not-human not-davidic divine Jesus in *Ev to a human not-davidic in canonical Mark, to ...
by Giuseppe
Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 37
Views: 351

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

Ebionism is a post-Marcion phenomenon, for three reasons: since Justin (the earliest polemical reference you have about ebionism, in addition to Cerinthus) comes after Marcion. Since the adoptionism requires the Temptation Story (the human recipient has to be perfect in order to work as recipient of...