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by MrMacSon
Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus provided a model for the first testament
Replies: 16
Views: 1419

Re: Josephus provided a model for the first testament

LOL mlinssen, that's not what he's saying, but nice word swap. I think the commentary in that excerpt could very well apply to the authors of the texts included in the New Testament. Martijn's only 'mistake' was to leave in the title, Against Apion . So - ... the present generation bold enough to w...
by MrMacSon
Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus provided a model for the first testament
Replies: 16
Views: 1419

Josephus provided a model for the first testament

Against Apion 1 : 1 I suppose that my books of the Antiquity of the Jews, most excellent Epaphroditus, have made it evident to those who peruse them, that our Jewish nation is of very great antiquity, and had a distinct subsistence of its own originally; I have therein declared how we came to inhab...
by MrMacSon
Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity
Replies: 113
Views: 9067

Re: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity

Thanks MrMacSon, I would like to read more critical commentary on Justin, are there any books that you recommend? Lane This 2018 dissertation looks quite good (have only had a quick look so far) https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1810/291401/The%20Use%20of%20the%20Jewish%20Scriptures...
by MrMacSon
Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity
Replies: 113
Views: 9067

Re: Indisputable Historical Facts About Early Christianity

I wonder, what can we say factually about Justin Martyr? We can only analyse the texts attributed to him. And they include commentary about a fairly wide range of things. Some of which commentary, at least, misrepresents others eg. First Apology chapter 60 And the physiological discussion concernin...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion
Replies: 33
Views: 4528

Re: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion

There also this passage from Plato's Republic , bk II, 361-2 ... though I don't think any of the Christian texts—gospels, epistles, or Father's commentaries or the like—allude to it. Clement of Alexandria, Stromata 4.7 Such also are the words of Plato in the Republic: "The just man, though str...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion
Replies: 33
Views: 4528

Re: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion

There also this passage from Plato's Republic , bk II, 361-2: “ those who commend injustice above justice ... will say is this: that such being his disposition the just man will have to endure the lash, the rack, chains, the branding-iron in his eyes, and finally, after all manner of suffering, he w...
by MrMacSon
Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion
Replies: 33
Views: 4528

Re: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion

Not just Horos in the Valentianian system but [sometimes, at least] Horos-Stauros, with Stauros being a god and stauros being the Greek word meaning cross and manifestations of it meaning crucifixion. Correct, Horos means "Limiter" and Stauros means "Cross." They're both importa...
by MrMacSon
Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion
Replies: 33
Views: 4528

Re: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion

I read it as indicating that Jesus was abandoned by the spirit of the higher Christ before any of the sufferings of the passion ("did not receive injury" - explicitly what the Valentinians seem to be concerned with). Yes, I thought the same. Leaving the spirit while on the cross itself wo...
by MrMacSon
Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion
Replies: 33
Views: 4528

Re: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion

All of this being the case, we form a picture of Christians in the middle of the second century being dominated by the kind of teaching being identified (in modern times) as "Valentinian." Tertullian ... says that the Valentinians believed there was a "higher Christ who was stretched...
by MrMacSon
Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion
Replies: 33
Views: 4528

Re: Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion

Tertullian ... says that the Valentinians believed there was a "higher Christ who was stretched on Cross, otherwise known as Horos" - the Cross which marked the boundary of the Pleroma, above the seven heavens, above the Demiurge, and above Achamoth (the female being abandoned by Sophia, ...