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1 . Giuseppe says August 1, 2015 at 12:31 am ... But were there cases where the euhemerizer historicized a previous celestial god X but only not calling ‘X’ his fabricated human hero but renaming him Y? The question arises from the possibility (but, alas, it’s only a remote possibility) that the fi...

2 . Bruce says August 1, 2015 at 2:07 am " .. To be blunt about the implications in OHJ, if I understand you, all this makes it quite plausible that Jesus was Euhemerized very much as Osiris was. That is to say, the original Jesus was some sort of angel or good-sky-demon, who wasn’t born of a ...

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The euhemerized entities Carrier refers to are Zeus and Uranus - euhemerized by Euhemerus;

and Dionysus, Romulus and Hercules; the later two, at least, whose euhemerization was not recognised as such by Plutarch.

But we don't know precisely if the historical Zeus (as euhemerized by Euhemerus) was 'miracled up' and to which degree (if he was) - the book being lost -, therefore I would prefer a more general definition of Euhemerism as casting of celestial into terrestrial. I doubt surely that Euhemerus claime...

Anyway, I don't think that affects your mythicist theory. There is nothing to stop ancient people from taking a celestial god and creating a story about a man on earth who becomes a god. You're over-extending and misrepresenting by stating it's about "creating a story about a man on earth who ...

It's very strange. Carrier gives the correct definition of Euhemerizing, states that it "is doing what Euhemerus did" -- turning a god into a man -- and then ignores the ramifications. The end result is a MAN, not a man who becomes a god. It is a man who dies as a god, and is then posthum...

Cheers, Peter. You're comments help contextualize a number of things. I agree that Tertullian and Cyprian "are not interdependent as evidence", but I had assumed Cyprian might be more dependent on Tertullian by way of locality and chronology (Cyprian following Tertullian) As I had for the ...

side note: Richard Carrier's latest blog post - back to the euhemerism issue...... Euhemerization Means Doing What Euhemerus Did http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/8161 Thank you. Carrier clarifies this well well (cf. Wikipedia and other articles or discussion I've seen). I've cut and pas...

Thanks Peter Why are you "grouping" any of them? What does this grouping have to do with the epistemic foundation of investigation into ancient Christianity? Because the current information about the works attributed to those people suggests strong relationships within those groups, and it...

I don't "group" them because they have different authors . The works attributed to some, several, or all of that group are written by other un-named people? In their time or later? You can (temporarily) remove Eusebius from the picture entirely and work without him, if you're paranoid abo...