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- Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:35 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
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Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
In answer to Ulan : The main protagonist here is Jesus Christ, and the scene wants to make clear that you don't miss who is to blame for the death of the protagonist: not Pilate, but the sanhedrin Also in the his article, Couchoud admits that the episode works also as pro-Roman apology. But he recog...
- Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
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Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
By the your Zealot hypothesis, Ulan, you may explain the favor of the people towards the Zealot Barabbas, but not the choice of Pilate of making the freedom of the one the death of the other. Attempts at psychological reasoning like this assume that we are looking at a real scene here. We aren't. H...
- Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:28 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
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Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
@Ben John 10:8-10 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers , but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they ma...
- Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
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Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
But what does it take to disprove the theory? I am just curious. If I say 'I expect to uncover a buried treasure in my backyard.' And then I dig up my backyard and there is no treasure. At what point do I have admit I was wrong there is no buried treasure in my backyard? What does it take? You cont...
- Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:44 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
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Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
If we leave this Barabbas/Barrabas controversy alone for a moment (I can see points for both explanations), how does the specific mention of the insurrection in gMark figure into this hypothesis? About the specificity of the insurrection, I have talked here as of a trace of a previous proto-Marcion...
- Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
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Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
no. Bar-Rabbas is the marcionite name of the robber. While Bar-Abbas is the name of the robber for the judaizers.Secret Alias wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:04 pm So you thought that the Marcionite name of the thief was BARABBAS.
Bar-Abbas is more old than Bar-Rabbas.
Is it more clear now?
- Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:35 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: "Bar-Rabbas" as evidence that the 'Teacher' is not 'Good' because he is the Jewish god
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Re: "Bar-Rabbas" as evidence that the 'Teacher' is not 'Good' because he is the Jewish god
So if "Teacher"=YHWH and Jesus is not the "Teacher", then he is not the "Son of YHWH" ("Bar-Rabbas") but he is the "Son of the Father" ("Bar-Abbas").
- Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:30 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: "Bar-Rabbas" as evidence that the 'Teacher' is not 'Good' because he is the Jewish god
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"Bar-Rabbas" as evidence that the 'Teacher' is not 'Good' because he is the Jewish god
There is other evidence of the fact that the reading 'Bar-Rabbas" was the marcionite answer to the Judaizing use against Marcion of the reading " Jesus Bar-Abbas" : "Bar-Rabbas", as "Son of the Teacher", is the icon of Israel who loves the creator as his "Teac...
- Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:40 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
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Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Really, now that I think better about it, I can explain very well the presence of 'Bar-Rabbas' (='Son of the Teacher') in the marcionite (later) versions. 'Bar-Rabbas' (=Son of Teacher) was the marcionite way to neutralize the anti-marcionite 'Bar-Abbas' (=Son of the Father) and to cast it in a anti...
- Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:28 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
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Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
In addition to this, since 'Bar-Abbas' was a judaizing parody of the marcionite Christ, it is natural that the marcionites would have preferred other readings (for example, your 'Bar-Rabbas') different from the parodistic anti-marcionite 'Bar-Abbas'. So any your 'evidence' of different ethymologies ...