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by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three different reasons to kill Jesus (if you are one of the 'Rulers of this Age')
Replies: 32
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Three different reasons to kill Jesus (if you are one of the 'Rulers of this Age')

Jesus was crucified by demons for one of the following three reasons: ( A ) because the demons knew that Jesus was the Son of God ( B ) because Jesus was just entered in the world of the demons without their permission ( C ) because Jesus had made miracles on the earth, miracles considered ' upheav...
by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 52782

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

The Barabbas episode can be anything to anyone. The Couchoud's hypothesis captures so well the evidence (at least in my view) that it would be interesting to know the origin of the accusation of robbery and insurrectionism moved by the Pagans against the Christian Messiah. Without that accusation, ...
by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "Bar-Rabbas" as evidence that the 'Teacher' is not 'Good' because he is the Jewish god
Replies: 4
Views: 4070

Re: "Bar-Rabbas" as evidence that the 'Teacher' is not 'Good' because he is the Jewish god

lsayre wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:38 am Did you just set up a straw man and then tear it appart?
Are you not agreeing with which point, precisely? :eh:
by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 52782

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

Note that, in order to return the favor, the marcionites interpreted 'Bar-Abbas' as 'Bar-Rabbas' , so making it a parody of the Jewish Messiah, the Jesus 'Son of Teacher' adored by the Judaizers. Matthew 23:8-10 8 But you are not to be called rabbi , for you have one teacher , and you are all brothe...
by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 52782

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

I think I may agree with you on that (not about Origen's embarrassment, but about the possibility that the name Jesus means something in Matthew). But you are still not explaining why Mark associates Barabbas with insurrectionists rather than with brigands/robbers. This is a detail that the messian...
by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 52782

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

Another defect of the Messianic hypothesis: it assumes as a natural thing a comparison between the insurrectionist ideology and the Christian Messianic ideology. As if Mark had the 'moral duty', as writer, of placing the Christians or the Jesus story in relation to the fall of Jerusalem and his his...
by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 52782

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

@Ulan You seem not to read my posts very well. The real Pilate would have killed/crucified any supposed insurrectionist without hesitation and without process, and I already stated such. Not only the 'real Pilate'. But any judge in the his place. What is strange is the usage of giving the fredoom to...
by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 52782

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

Another defect of the Messianic hypothesis: it assumes as a natural thing a comparison between the insurrectionist ideology and the Christian Messianic ideology. As if Mark had the 'moral duty', as writer, of placing the Christians or the Jesus story in relation to the fall of Jerusalem and his hist...
by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 52782

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

You are still not explaining why Mark associates Barabbas with insurrectionists rather than with brigands/robbers. Every word you write, whether about John or about Celsus or about Marcion, depends upon the association with brigandage/robbery. But Mark (twice) specifies insurrection. This is a deta...
by Giuseppe
Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one
Replies: 86
Views: 52782

Re: “Abba, Father” as two distinct deities, not one

Ben If you want to build a case on Barabbas being a "murderer," have at it. That may work. But you built your case on Barabbas being a "brigand," which fails to explain why Mark twice associates him with insurrection instead of with brigandage. Because the not-Christians were acc...