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Re: Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:40 pm
by bbyrd009
ok, ty

Re: Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:23 pm
by Lucifer Satanel
To the Original poster, GD God did not condemn man to death and hell. Eve and Adam were exactly like Lucifer -they both betrayed him and rejected the earthly heaven of Eden. By their own treason they became subject to a "purgatory" of natural life rather than the supernatural life they had been enjoying enjoying eternal life in the garden. They had to be rejected because they had become evil in an attempt to be as great as God. Having become evil they did not confess and attempt to reform instead they tried to hide their foul deed. When exposed they also did not ask for forgiveness and a chance to reform instead Eve tried to blame the serpent and Adam blamed Eve -they thus were both unrepentant.

God did not condemn them or us to hell either. Humans remained evil, which they are objectively, whether or not there was a fall. One could always repent and reform and become perfect [ biblical examples Enoch and Elijah ]. Heaven would become hell if the ungodly evil ones existed in it. They exclude themselves and that exclusion is hell. Your idea that we need to be allowed into heaven whatever are condition is because it's not proportional to deed is false. Evil is first a state of being all evil acts are only expressions of that unrepentant state, even was completely alone never acting out ones evil to others one would remain evil and would deserve the eternal meeting of oneself in hell.

Both God and goodness have always been knowable -they only start as mysteries if you don't seek them -such conditionals are acceptable for a new born but not for an adult. One can't even use the society excuse as of course the society of the ungodly and evil is both ungodly and evil like themselves and that society is entirely man creation. The Serpent deceived me does not work for modern people anymore that it worked for Eve.

Re: Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:09 am
by bbyrd009
Lucifer Satanel wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:23 pm To the Original poster, GD God did not condemn man to death and hell. Eve and Adam were exactly like Lucifer -they both betrayed him and rejected the earthly heaven of Eden. By their own treason they became subject to a "purgatory" of natural life rather than the supernatural life they had been enjoying enjoying eternal life in the garden. They had to be rejected because they had become evil in an attempt to be as great as God. Having become evil they did not confess and attempt to reform instead they tried to hide their foul deed. When exposed they also did not ask for forgiveness and a chance to reform instead Eve tried to blame the serpent and Adam blamed Eve -they thus were both unrepentant.

God did not condemn them or us to hell either. Humans remained evil, which they are objectively, whether or not there was a fall. One could always repent and reform and become perfect [ biblical examples Enoch and Elijah ]. Heaven would become hell if the ungodly evil ones existed in it. They exclude themselves and that exclusion is hell. Your idea that we need to be allowed into heaven whatever are condition is because it's not proportional to deed is false. Evil is first a state of being all evil acts are only expressions of that unrepentant state, even was completely alone never acting out ones evil to others one would remain evil and would deserve the eternal meeting of oneself in hell.

Both God and goodness have always been knowable -they only start as mysteries if you don't seek them -such conditionals are acceptable for a new born but not for an adult. One can't even use the society excuse as of course the society of the ungodly and evil is both ungodly and evil like themselves and that society is entirely man creation. The Serpent deceived me does not work for modern people anymore that it worked for Eve.
gb isnt around any more, i dont think

Re: Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:16 am
by Lucifer Satanel
I know, but was answering his position rather than him.

Re: Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:28 pm
by bbyrd009
Lucifer Satanel wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:16 am I know, but was answering his position rather than him.
Ah, ok. I wonder if it is advisable to be quite so gnostic? You don’t care to hedge your bets up there, even a little?