Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

[Gnostic Bishop]

And I am not interested in trying to talk to a person who thinks many parts of the Bible are wrong, and worships men's Theories.
I WILL ignore ypu.

Good.

Only the stupid believe in real talking serpents and donkeys.

Regards
DL

[bbyrd009]

God did not choose Jesus of course; Caiaphas did. I hope yiou are well GB, you are in my prayers

God did not choose for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins,
No Son of Man may die for another's sins,
even if Jesus was in a diff sense "chosen," sure

Is it moral to offer to be a messiah?

but no offer was made, and in fact Jesus asked for the cup to be removed

Is it moral to accept another person being punished in your steed?

That is asking and or accepting the abdication of ones duty and responsibility for ones actions.

yes, and that is made clear in the Jacob/Esau cycle

Not something I taught my children.

I taught them to step up, not step back.

You?

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Bishop]

bbyrd009

Thanks for this.

Regards
DL

[Ticishe]

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[Gnostic Bishop]

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Pardon the delay.

Have you considered how immoral the messianic concept is?

On Jesus dying for Christians from a moral perspective.

It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat.
Good morals and Jesus speak against the messianic concept and bids us pick up our crosses and follow him.

Regards
DL