Prayer and Velleity

What do they believe? What do you think? Talk about religion as it exists today.
Post Reply
User avatar
billd89
Posts: 834
Joined: Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:27 pm
Location: New England, USA

Prayer and Velleity

Post by billd89 »

Opinion piece, The Guardian (no paywall):

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -of-prayer
Ticishe
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:21 am

Re: Prayer and Velleity

Post by Ticishe »

When the Holy Spirit indwells a person, he gives that person a child's voice. Just as children begin speaking with their parents as soon as their voices can make a sound, so when the Holy Spirit makes us God's children, we begin conversing with God as soon as we can make a sound. Dragon Horoscope 2023
User avatar
Leucius Charinus
Posts: 2103
Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:23 pm
Location: memoriae damnatio

Re: Prayer and Velleity

Post by Leucius Charinus »

Comparing Matthew 6:6 with the discourse of Epictetus (c.50–c.135 CE) - a series of informal lectures by Epictetus written down by his pupil Arrian around 108 CE.

(A) Here is the statement of the Stoic Epictetus (via Ariann) in relation to (Stoic) prayer:

"Nevertheless he has placed by every man a guardian,
every man's Daimon, to whom he has committed the care of the man,
a guardian who never sleeps, is never deceived.
For to what better and more careful guardian
could He have entrusted each of us?

When, then, you have shut the doors and made darkness within,
remember never to say that you are alone, for you are not;
but God is within, and your Daimon is within, and what need
have they of light to see what you are doing?
To this God you ought to swear an oath
just as the soldiers do to Caesar.".


(B) Here is the statement of Jesus (via Matthew 6.6) in relation to (Christian) prayer:

6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father,
who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


So is there any dependence?
(A) ==> (B) or (B) ==> (A) ?
Post Reply