Article: Ancient Greeks Predicted Robots

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Article: Ancient Greeks Predicted Robots

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https://greekreporter.com/2023/11/25/an ... ed-robots/

I don't like the website, but sometimes it posts hilarious articles.

Dr. Mayor’s arguments revolve to a large extent around Hephaestus, the Greek god of craftsmen and metalworking.

One of his creations was Talos, a giant automaton made of bronze, which Mayor describes as a “bronze killer-robot” and an early precursor to the kinds of androids now being built by Boston Dynamics.

Another of his creations was Pandora, a “replicant” and “wicked AI fembot,” which according to Mayor, was ‘programmed’ to release evil into the world.

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Re: Killer Robots are on the front lines, now

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https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-ugvs-m ... es-1864843

Terminator's future is almost here:

You probably saw this news a couple of years back:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180979856/

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Predicted? More like speculated about them. Talos - a bronze man built by the legendary craftsman Daedalus.

Hephaestus - the god of crafts and carpentry and metalworking and fire and volcanoes. He was described as lame The Iliad (Murray)/Book I - Wikisource, the free online library "And unquenchable laughter arose among the blessed gods, as they saw Hephaestus puffing through the palace." Plato used that as an example of why the traditional stories of his society ought to be banned from his Republic (Book III), not because that is cruel to those with disabilities, but because it is a convenient pretext for being excessively cheerful.

In The Iliad (Murray)/Book XVIII - Wikisource, the free online library
On this wise spake they one to the other; but silver-footed Thetis came unto the house of Hephaestus, imperishable, decked with stars, preeminent among the houses of immortals, wrought all of bronze, that the crook-foot god himself had built him. Him she found sweating with toil as he moved to and fro about his bellows in eager haste; for he was fashioning tripods, twenty in all, to stand around the wall of his well-builded hall, and golden wheels had he set beneath the base of each that of themselves they might enter the gathering of the gods at his wish and again return to his house, a wonder to behold.
The Internet Classics Archive | Politics by Aristotle (Book I) - not only what we'd call political systems, but sociology more broadly
For if every instrument could accomplish its own work, obeying or anticipating the will of others, like the statues of Daedalus, or the tripods of Hephaestus, which, says the poet,

"of their own accord entered the assembly of the Gods; "

if, in like manner, the shuttle would weave and the plectrum touch the lyre without a hand to guide them, chief workmen would not want servants, nor masters slaves.
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Let's see how well "Homer" and Aristotle did.

The shuttle weaving? That's in a Loom and the shuttle carries the thread that's moved through the stretched-out thread. Power loom - developed early in the Industrial Revolution, power looms have parts that do all the weaving operations, including move the shuttle back and forth.

The plectrum plucking the lyre? The first kind of automated musical instrument was the music box, a cylinder with raised pins that pluck some thin metal strips. Player pianos were invented a little over a century ago. They use piano rolls with holes for the notes, and they operate either pneumatically or electromechanically. Recent ones are electronically controlled. Player organs (mechanical organs) also exist, and purely electronic instruments are easy to electronically control.

Something that Aristotle never thought of was mechanical and electronic storage of sound information and electronic transmission of it.
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As to those self-moving tripods, the first successful engine-driven vehicles date back to the Industrial Revolution, first railroad vehicles, and later ships, then flat-road vehicles, then aerial vehicles, then outer-space vehicles. The most common automation of their operation is autopilots for ships and aircraft. They keep the vehicle traveling in some direction. Full-scale automation of vehicle operation is done for some urban trains and for spacecraft, and it is in an experimental stage for flat-road vehicles.

Walking robots are still experimental, but several designs are being worked on. Legged robot and Robot locomotion

Wheels are the simplest kind of part to use, though they are limited to smooth terrain, and a variation of wheels is continuous tread. Legged robots are good for very rough terrain, like rocky terrain. Two-legged robots are very challenging to control, because of their poor stability. Four-legged robots have much better stability, and six-legged and eight-legged ones have even more stability. Pogo-stick hopping robots have also been worked on; they may be called one-legged robots.

There are two main kinds of two-legged gait: striding and hopping.

Striding, alternately advancing each leg, was invented at least twice by our planet's biota, once by some ancestors of ours, and once by some early dinosaurs. Many of the larger dinosaurs went back to all fours, but some of them stayed two-legged, including the ancestors of birds.

Hopping, advancing both legs together, with two legs only was invented by the ancestors of kangaroos, and hopping with other legs still in use was invented by grasshoppers, frogs, and rabbits.

Four-legged gaits are more complicated -
A GUIDE TO QUADRUPEDS’ GAITS - Walk, amble, trot, pace, canter, gallop — Animator Notebook
- and three types are alternating between front legs and back legs, left legs and right legs, and front left and back right, and front right and back left.

With six or more legs, one can advance one's legs in a wave along one's length, or one can advance legs in alternation, like a six-leg tripod gait.

I don't mean "invention" as a conscious process, but as a shorthand for the process of natural selection.
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