Giuseppe wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 6:03 am
Ken Olson wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:48 am
The fact that Quadratus mentions those who had been raised from the dead alongside those who were healed of diseases suggests that he meant those whom Jesus had raised during his ministry (Jairus' daughter, the Widow of Nain's son, and Lazarus), not those who rose from their tombs at Jesus' death on the cross in Matt 27:50-53.
very hardly so. It is
evident that Quadratus meant the zombies of Matthew 27:52-53. Your suggestion is very improbable.
Our Saviour's works, moreover, were always present: for they were real, consisting of those who had been healed of their diseases, those who had been raised from the dead; who were not only seen whilst they were being healed and raised up, but were afterwards constantly present. Nor did they remain only during the sojourn of the Saviour on earth, but also a considerable time after His departure; and, indeed, some of them have survived even down to our own times. (Fragment of Quadratus)
Matt 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53 After his resurrection they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many.
Giuseppe,
Do you have any supporting argumentation that would serve to demonstrate to other people who do not initially share your opinion that it is
evident that Quadratus was referring to the bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep but were raised to life from Matt 27:52 that this is, in fact, the case?
To all appearances, when your opinion is contested, you are merely doubling down on your claim by insisting on it emphatically, and are not actually providing evidence for it at all. To be fair, I suppose you are not the only one on the list that argues that way.
Also, could you tell me how you made the calculation that my suggestion that Quadratus was probably referring to the people that Jesus' had raised to life during his ministry is very improbable? What makes it improbable? In support of my claim I pointed out that Quadratus refers to those who had been raised from the dead alongside those who had been healed of diseases (presumably during Jesus' ministry) and calls these two classes together our Savior's works. This would appear to apply much better to those who had been miraculously raised during Jesus' ministry. Do you have a better explanation for why he should mention the two together, or for why the saints who rose in Matt 27.52 would be called a work of the Savior? Further, why would Quadratus say "Nor did they remain only during the sojourn of the Saviour on earth" about those raised in Matt 27.52 when they did not rise until the moment of Jesus' death. It would seem to apply much better to those who were raised during Jesus' earthly ministry (i.e., Jairus' daughter, the Widow of Nain's son, and Lazarus).
If you wish to be convincing to other people (and it's by no means clear that you do), you may have to deal with the arguments for the opposing claim, and present evidence for your own, rather than just using strong language.
Best,
Ken
P.S. Yes, I realize that following up on this with Giuseppe is probably a waste of time, but I thought I would give him the chance to justify his claim.