Detering: Augustine’s Confessions are a medieval forgery!
2015. Publication of Detering’s book, O du lieber Augustin—Falsche Bekenntnisse? The title is a double pun in German. “O du lieber Augustin” [“O you dear Augustine”] is an iconic children’s tune dating from the late Middle Ages. It has nothing to do with St. Augustine but originated when the plague ravaged Vienna (see here). The second part of the book’s title can be translated “False Confessions?” This is a pun on Augustine’s famous tome, which is appropriate for in his book Detering argues that Augustine never wrote the Confessions–it is a medieval forgery by the hand of Anselm of Canterbury. From the back cover:
Augustine (354-430) was arguably the most important Church Father and most influential Catholic philosopher of late antiquity. His autobiographical Confessions belong to world literature. Hermann Detering now calls the authenticity of Augustine’s Confessions into question. Scholars have long noted that the style of the Confessions differs substantially from the style of Augustine’s other writings. Beginning from this thread, Detering examines the text carefully, compares it with Augustine’s other writings, and comes to the conclusion that the Confessions are a forgery dating to the Middle Ages. The bold author is eminently factual, and his reconstruction of the text’s genesis throws a bright light on medieval forgery in general.
Detering’s radical proposal of medieval forgery is entirely unknown to the English speaking world. In Germany his view is barely noted in the German Wikipedia and uniformly ignored. As usual, the severe marginalization that accompanies so much of Detering’s incisive work has nothing to do with the argument—which in this case is characteristically fact-based, thorough, and level-headed—but of course with the argument’s threat to orthodoxy.
https://www.mythicistpapers.com/2019/06 ... e-2015-16/
2015. Publication of Detering’s book, O du lieber Augustin—Falsche Bekenntnisse? The title is a double pun in German. “O du lieber Augustin” [“O you dear Augustine”] is an iconic children’s tune dating from the late Middle Ages. It has nothing to do with St. Augustine but originated when the plague ravaged Vienna (see here). The second part of the book’s title can be translated “False Confessions?” This is a pun on Augustine’s famous tome, which is appropriate for in his book Detering argues that Augustine never wrote the Confessions–it is a medieval forgery by the hand of Anselm of Canterbury. From the back cover:
Augustine (354-430) was arguably the most important Church Father and most influential Catholic philosopher of late antiquity. His autobiographical Confessions belong to world literature. Hermann Detering now calls the authenticity of Augustine’s Confessions into question. Scholars have long noted that the style of the Confessions differs substantially from the style of Augustine’s other writings. Beginning from this thread, Detering examines the text carefully, compares it with Augustine’s other writings, and comes to the conclusion that the Confessions are a forgery dating to the Middle Ages. The bold author is eminently factual, and his reconstruction of the text’s genesis throws a bright light on medieval forgery in general.
Detering’s radical proposal of medieval forgery is entirely unknown to the English speaking world. In Germany his view is barely noted in the German Wikipedia and uniformly ignored. As usual, the severe marginalization that accompanies so much of Detering’s incisive work has nothing to do with the argument—which in this case is characteristically fact-based, thorough, and level-headed—but of course with the argument’s threat to orthodoxy.
https://www.mythicistpapers.com/2019/06 ... e-2015-16/
Thanks for the reminder Stuart
Stuart wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:41 pm Just like the gospels, the LXX translations were likely the work of many unnamed scribes over a significant period of time. No doubt editorial layers standardized them. I think much the same about Patristic writings, that they are compendiums if material sometimes from very different unnamed authors with and editor that gives us a false sense of unity, and are ascribed to a legendary figure. Hermann Detering did an excellent analysis of the writings of Augustin, that show quite clearly the works were put together long after his death and from a 3rd person perspective. My view is the same applies to nearly all the Patristic writings, not just the NT.
Patristic Writings, Ecclesiastical "History" and the FF
The FF - Falsifying Fathers - are of three types:
1. Ante Nicene FF
2. Nicene FF
3. Post Nicene FF (Augustine belongs here)
Augustine was supposed to be an ex-Manichaean reader but his Manichaean canon (i.e. list of books) does not match canon lists found in Manichaean manuscript discoveries.
In the year 1298 CE four (supposedly very high profile) Christian identities of the 4th century Latin Nicene Church were elevated to the status of "Doctors of the Latin Church". These were Saint Gregory the Great, Saint Ambrose, Saint Augustine, and Saint Jerome. The "four Doctors" became a commonplace among the Scholastics, and a decree of Boniface VIII (1298).
I suspect these high profile authors were redefined if not invented many centuries after they supposedly wandered about later 4th and 5th century Christendom.
Anselm of Canterbury,
OSB (/ˈænsɛlm/; 1033/4–1109 CE), also called Anselm of Aosta (Italian: Anselmo d'Aosta) after his birthplace and Anselm of Bec (French: Anselme du Bec) after his monastery, was an Italian[7] Benedictine monk, abbot, philosopher and theologian of the Catholic Church, who held the office of Archbishop of Canterbury from 1093 to 1109. After his death, he was canonized as a saint; his feast day is 21 April.
As archbishop, he defended the church's interests in England amid the Investiture Controversy. For his resistance to the English kings William II and Henry I, he was exiled twice: once from 1097 to 1100 and then from 1105 to 1107. While in exile, he helped guide the Greek bishops of southern Italy to adopt Roman rites at the Council of Bari. He worked for the primacy of Canterbury over the bishops of York and Wales but, though at his death he appeared to have been successful, Pope Paschal II later reversed himself and restored York's independence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anselm_of_Canterbury
OSB (/ˈænsɛlm/; 1033/4–1109 CE), also called Anselm of Aosta (Italian: Anselmo d'Aosta) after his birthplace and Anselm of Bec (French: Anselme du Bec) after his monastery, was an Italian[7] Benedictine monk, abbot, philosopher and theologian of the Catholic Church, who held the office of Archbishop of Canterbury from 1093 to 1109. After his death, he was canonized as a saint; his feast day is 21 April.
As archbishop, he defended the church's interests in England amid the Investiture Controversy. For his resistance to the English kings William II and Henry I, he was exiled twice: once from 1097 to 1100 and then from 1105 to 1107. While in exile, he helped guide the Greek bishops of southern Italy to adopt Roman rites at the Council of Bari. He worked for the primacy of Canterbury over the bishops of York and Wales but, though at his death he appeared to have been successful, Pope Paschal II later reversed himself and restored York's independence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anselm_of_Canterbury