Was Justin the first who introduced Pilate?

[GakuseiDon]

Marcion doesn't appear to be the Christian apologist à la Justin who would have used Christianized Acts of Pilate to persuade the Roman rulers about the pacifism of the his church.

Justin appears to be a good candidate for the Christian who introduced Pilate the first time because, during the 130-135 CE, when the Jews were repressed by Hadrian, I don't think that the Josephus's apologetics would have worked still:

If Ignatius is dated earlier than Justin Martyr (and excluding the Gospels), then Ignatius would be an earlier candidate. From Ignatius' "to the Smyrnaeans":
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t ... berts.html

I glorify God, even Jesus Christ, who has given you such wisdom. For I have observed that ye are perfected in an immoveable faith, as if ye were nailed to the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, both in the flesh and in the spirit, and are established in love through the blood of Christ, being fully persuaded with respect to our Lord, that He was truly of the seed of David according to the flesh, and the Son of God according to the will and power of God; that He was truly born of a virgin, was baptized by John, in order that all righteousness might be fulfilled by Him; and was truly, under Pontius Pilate and Herod the tetrarch, nailed[to the cross] for us in His flesh.

[Giuseppe]

If Ignatius is dated earlier than Justin Martyr

Unfortunately, Ignatius never existed.

[Giuseppe]

I'd like to clarify that ie. I'd like you to clarify that. Are you saying 1 that you don't think Josephus's apologetic/propaganda accounts—of Jewish activities in the first half of the first century—would have been considered yet? ie. Josephus's accounts would not yet, in the post Bar Kokhba era, have been considered by people contemplating— thinking about—the Hadrian situation, but that some people do soon did consider—reflect on—the Bar Kokhba revolt in light of Josephus' accounts of events in the first century ie. the smallish, isolated events recorded in Josephus +/- his accounts of the First Jewish-Roman War (?)

note that the interest of the Flavians was to describe the previous Roman administration as having been unable to rule rightly the Judea, so reflecting by contrast the "good" Flavian new deal.

After Domitianus and the Kytos War, I don't think that the Josephian apologetical distinguo worked yet, between cruel governors and good governors. The Jews deserved a hard ruler. The Jews deserved that the Pagan idols infested the place where there was the temple. In virtue of the insignia episode, Pilate was probably rediscovered as a precursor of Hadrian, from the POV of the best religious politics that had to be applied on the Jew of Judea.

[MrMacSon]

note the Flavians interest in describing the previous Roman administration as having been unable to rule Judea 'rightly', so reflecting, by contrast, the "good" Flavian new deal

• Just the Three Emperors 68–69 AD/CE before Vespasian: Galba, Otto, Vitellus ?
  
  Or some or even all of the previous emperors (of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, 27 BC – AD 68) ?
  
  1. Augustus,
  2. Tiberius,
  3. Caligula,
  4. Claudius, and
  5. Nero

After Domitianus and the Kytos War, I don't think that the Josephian apologetical distinguo worked yet, between cruel governors and good governors. The Jews deserved a hard ruler. The Jews deserved that the Pagan idols infested the place where there was the Temple. In [view] of the insignia episode, Pilate was probably rediscovered as a precursor of Hadrian, from the POV of the best religious politics...applied on the Jew of Judea.

• Interesting. (Caligula might have been a candidate too?)

Do you think the good emperors v the bad emperors [view] might have influenced or even helped form Marcion's view of 'a good god' versus 'the evil Creator [god]' ?

[Giuseppe]

• Just the Three Emperors 68–69 AD/CE before Vespasian: Galba, Otto, Vitellus ?
  
  Or some or even all of the previous emperors (of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, 27 BC – AD 68) ?
  
  1. Augustus,
  2. Tiberius,
  3. Caligula,
  4. Claudius, and
  5. Nero

Pilate was designed by Tiberius. So the Flavian Josephus had a particular interest to put him in a negative light.

Do you think the good emperors v the bad emperors might have influenced or even helped form Marcion's view of 'a good god' versus 'the evil Creator [god]' ?

I have read somewhere that Chrestos figured among the attributes of Hadrian.

[MrMacSon]

Pilate was designed by Tiberius. So the Flavian Josephus had a particular interest to put him in a negative light.

Who is 'him'?

1. the Flavian Josephus had a particular interest to put Pilate in a negative light; or
2. the Flavian Josephus had a particular interest to put Tiberius in a negative light; or
3. both? ie. both Pilate and Tiberius ?

[arnoldo]

If Ignatius is dated earlier than Justin Martyr

Unfortunately, Ignatius never existed.

Fortunately, Papyrus P52 exists.

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Entered therefore again into the Praeto-
rium Pilate and summoned Jesus
and said to him, "Thou art king of the
Jews?"

[Giuseppe]

Pilate was designed by Tiberius. So the Flavian Josephus had a particular interest to put him in a negative light.

Who is 'him'?

Pilate.