Re: From Chrestian to Christian - Philip beyond the grave
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:22 pm
Interesting what you write ML. Your theory is similar to what I've been seeing. Maybe we see the same thing but 2 people will not agree on what they see sometimes, cause i know we disagree at times, but anyway i think i support your thesis in its general approach if not every conclusion.
Your 'Chrestianity' is what i call the original movement. You call it anti-Judaic. Yeah, to the outward crap of religion it probably was, but to me that's not anti-Judaic, its not really anti- anything, it's pro-esoteric, the anti is just a byproduct of being pro-esoteric, it's just the way it is. this anti-exoteric gets ramped up in the gospels to actual anti-Judaism sometimes (usually the 'narrators voice' of redaction) because it suited the early orthodoxy to have their Jesus bash Judaism (just as much as it suited them for him to appear pro-Judaic. Contradiction? Yes, but useful, something for every occasion) There is more anti-Judaic stuff in the NT than the gnostic texts if you ask me
I think the apostle was a prime reason what you call 'Christianity' emerged, he meddled with the formula. I don't believe so-called 'pillars' story of a pro-religious James one bit. That looks like an offshoot not the original and the apostle is trying his sales pitch on them too
where we disagree probably is i see the original movement as a restorationist one, trying to restore or reform the religion around them into something better, and back the way it was prior to the corruption, ie the Odes but i dont know if you will ever accept the Odes i hope you do one day, cause i think you're missing something there. show me where in the Odes there is anything exoteric
Your 'Chrestianity' is what i call the original movement. You call it anti-Judaic. Yeah, to the outward crap of religion it probably was, but to me that's not anti-Judaic, its not really anti- anything, it's pro-esoteric, the anti is just a byproduct of being pro-esoteric, it's just the way it is. this anti-exoteric gets ramped up in the gospels to actual anti-Judaism sometimes (usually the 'narrators voice' of redaction) because it suited the early orthodoxy to have their Jesus bash Judaism (just as much as it suited them for him to appear pro-Judaic. Contradiction? Yes, but useful, something for every occasion) There is more anti-Judaic stuff in the NT than the gnostic texts if you ask me
I think the apostle was a prime reason what you call 'Christianity' emerged, he meddled with the formula. I don't believe so-called 'pillars' story of a pro-religious James one bit. That looks like an offshoot not the original and the apostle is trying his sales pitch on them too
where we disagree probably is i see the original movement as a restorationist one, trying to restore or reform the religion around them into something better, and back the way it was prior to the corruption, ie the Odes but i dont know if you will ever accept the Odes i hope you do one day, cause i think you're missing something there. show me where in the Odes there is anything exoteric