Giuseppe wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:35 am
Paul the Uncertain wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 10:48 am
The messianic secret is nothing other than the attempt made by
Mark Wrede to account for the absence of messianic claims by
Jesus himself. Mark's Jesus until such a claim directly and rationally furthers the mission.
Well. I am open to that definition.
And I want to give this kind of ultimatum.
I am sure that prof Vinzent, in his coming book
...will make the same point more or less clear:
Mark was embarrassed by the absence of Messianic claims in the Evangelion, and accordingly he introduced the command to silence by Jesus, implying so that at least secretly Jesus was the Jewish Messiah during his ministry.
The whole goal of Mark is to counter all the anti-Judaism in Marcion, and the absence of Messianic claims in Marcion is completely logical: Marcion doesn't present his IS as a Messias but simply as one that nullifies the Judaic Law and Prophets - and Vinzent has some work to do there, perhaps
Yet Mark also needs to come up with a good excuse why he is the first to bring up the Messianic claims, and the resurrection.
He blames the lack of knowledge of the resurrection on the Thomasine / Chrestian women who never told anyone, and likewise he introduces the Messianic secret: "everyone knew, but they just didn't tell anyone - for perfectly clear and solid reasons"
Mark rewrites all of Chrestianity, he inverts all the anti-Judaism and turns it into the opposite: Chrestianity is the fulfillment of YHVH's promise! Yet because he really can't go into that convoluted argument at length, Paul does so, and because Paul conveniently sets his story in Chrestianity he can pretend to not need excuses. Whereas Mark sets his in the context of a living IS, a setting that is contemporary with his life, so that he can use him as sock puppet.
"Dear audience, IS himself instructed no one to tell about him, that's why nobody knew"
"Paul" is just an expansion of the singular Apostolikon which was nothing more than a single letter to the most important congregations, and it is greatly expanded to fake a Judaic and historical background to the Christianity that Mark had invented.
Naturally, Paul and Mark pretend to not have any knowledge of one another: multiple independent attestation #FTW, just as in LukeMatthew
But the entire goal of Mark is to counter all the anti-Judaism in Chrestianity / Marcion, Giuseppe - and he greatly succeeds in doing so even if that happens at the cost of a relatively great amount of inconsistencies and problems, that Matthew has to fix afterwards