rgprice wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:26 am
The pertinent question that arises once one recognizes that the Gospels are entirely fictional, is: Why would the life or death of any real person have inspired this worship?
It is always mere stories that inspire, nothing else. Hence why people are eager to demonstrate that there are no facts behind a story, as that is the almost only way to sidetrack a story
The Gospel stories explained why Jesus was worshiped. He was worshiped because he performed miracles, gathered a great number of followers through his teachings, was crucified in a spectacle and rose from the dead as witnessed by his devout followers.
Actually, they don't. None of the texts state that IS was awesome because xyz - that is the story that we drive from the gospels
But all of that is made up. None of that actually happened. So if none of that happened, then why would anyone have been worshiping this person?
Because his story inspired. Didn't you love Santa with all your heart and mind?
Crucifixion? According to Josephus thousands upon thousands of Jews were crucified in the first century, by both Jews and Romans. Why would this person stand out? Teachings? Why do none of the pre-Gospel claims about Jesus give even the slightest indicate that Jesus was known for teachings?
We all adore the rebel, the contrarian. Even when you strip him of the eschatology and prophecies, a man remains who defied authorities (check), did things others can only dream of (check), and was defiant t even when staked (check)
Pre-Gospel writings are fixated only on divine aspects of the Lord Jesus Christ. He is in heaven, he will judge the world, he has conquered death, he will create a new paradise, he is the agent of Creation, etc.
You mean post-gospel writings I presume?
None of those things are attributed to a real person. Why would anyone ascribe those attributes to a real person?
Because there was none of the above prior to Churchianity. Not even the Christian gospels proclaim his divinity
Again, the answer for the church fathers was that those attributes were ascribed to Jesus because of the things the Gospels tell us he did. He performed miracles and fulfilled prophecies, therefore godly powers were ascribed to him.
The FF needed to make him divine because Mark invented the resurrection and average human beings usually don't survive death
But as we can see, it didn't happen like that. The miracles and prophecy fulfillment are all the invention of writers. So we are left again with the question: Why would anyone ascribe purely godly powers to a real person, who did not perform miracles, fulfill prophecies or rise from the dead? The answer is simple. They wouldn't! The godly powers were ascribed to a god, not a person. The god was later personified via stories.
Ah I fell for it LOL, congrats. Yes
We know for sure that this happened all the time in the ancient world. We have countless examples of this happening over and over again!
p.s. thanks dbz.
Thanks dbz as well!