If the Angels of YHWH are reduced to "scribes and pharisees", then who is Pilate an allegory of?

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If the Angels of YHWH are reduced to "scribes and pharisees", then who is Pilate an allegory of?

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SK has described a very optimal point:
schillingklaus wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:00 pm The pre-gnostic original would be something like "Adam realized that the serpent taught with power, not like YHWH and his angels."

This was gradually judaized and euhemerized when YHWH was rehabilitated as a good angel, and even more when he was identified with The Father. So by the time of making the Christian narratives, the serpent had become the historical messiah and the archons became worldly teachers of the day, opposing the doctrines of the authors and redactors.
Very supportive for a such claim is that the archontes are really reduced to 'scribes and pharisees' in proto-Luke (= Mcn), while what would be more expected, if the anti-demiurgism had not played no role at all in the process of the formation of the Earliest Gospel, is that the archontes were reduced to Roman authorities, not to priests.

Contra factum that the "scribes and pharisees" are explicitly called 'archontes', never Pilate is called archon, but only hegemon: a term that is totally absent in Nag Hammadi literature, isn't it?

True, a Roman governor has to be there because only he could dispense crucifixions, and the celestial crucifixion required an earthly agent with a such particular task.

But then the fact that just the 'scribes and pharisees' are the archontes seems to be decisive evidence to prove the Jean Magne's thesis, that the Earliest Gospel had deliberately judaized a celestial anti-demiurgist deity (the genesiac Serpent or Jesus) working exclusively in the heavens (and on earth as mere divine revealer via dreams, hallucinations, visions, etc).
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Re: If the Angels of YHWH are reduced to "scribes and pharisees", then who is Pilate an allegory of?

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The hypothesis is that of a great conspiracy by an intellectual elite to show how Jesus was the Jewish Messiah from beginning to the end. But even so, with an eye always addressed to the Gnostic anti-demiurgist myth of a Jesus/Serpent crucified by the angels of YHWH in Heaven.
  • Was the Serpent essentially a Revealer ?
    Also Jesus reveals.
  • Was the Serpent's knowledge superior to the knowledge of the Angels of YHWH?
    Jesus teaches better than scribes and pharisees.
  • Was the Serpent crucified?
    Also Jesus was crucified.
  • Was the Serpent an alien deity?
    Also Jesus played the role of the "Samaritan", and his killer was the famous slayer of Samaritans: Pilate.
  • Was the Serpent able to open the eyes?
    Also Jesus opened the eyes of Bartimeus.
  • Was the Serpent represented as a fish before to be cursed?
    Also Jesus was famous as Ichthus.
  • Was the Serpent cursed by YHWH?
    Also Jesus Bar-Abbas was cursed, by being the goat condemned to die in the wilderness.
  • Was the Serpent the giver of the famous apple?
    Also Jesus gave the bread of the Eucharist.
Among all those parallelisms, what is more persuasive is the identity archontes == priests.
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