Chrestianity's use of Samaritan figures is a fact

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Chrestianity's use of Samaritan figures is a fact

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Likewise they allege that Valentinus was a hearer of Theudas. And he was the pupil of Paul. For Marcion, who arose in the same age with them, lived as an old man with the younger [heretics]. And after him Simon heard for a little the preaching of Peter.

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Pilate also is a 'Samaritan figure' of his own right, insofar he has been historically involved in Samaritan politics for a time.

No wonder also he was used in the Earliest Gospel.

The list of Samaritan figures in the Christian traditio:
  • Simon Magus
  • Pilate
  • Theudas
  • Dositheus
  • Justin
  • The figure of the Good Samaritan
  • a Samaritan village
  • the Samaritan woman
  • the Matthean prohibition to preach among Samaritans
  • the suffering "Messiah Son of Joseph"
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Giuseppe wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:08 am Pilate also is a 'Samaritan figure' of his own right, insofar he has been historically involved in Samaritan politics for a time.

No wonder also he was used in the Earliest Gospel.

The list of Samaritan figures in the Christian traditio:
  • Simon Magus
  • Pilate
  • Theudas
  • Dositheus
  • Justin
  • The figure of the Good Samaritan
  • a Samaritan village
  • the Samaritan woman
  • the Matthean prohibition to preach among Samaritans
  • the suffering "Messiah Son of Joseph"
You're forgetting IS himself

John 4:22 ὑμεῖς (You) προσκυνεῖτε (worship) ὃ (what) οὐκ (not) οἴδατε (you know); ἡμεῖς (we) προσκυνοῦμεν (worship) ὃ (what) οἴδαμεν (we know), ὅτι (for) ἡ (-) σωτηρία (salvation) ἐκ (out-of) τῶν (the) Ἰουδαίων (Judeans) ἐστίν (is)

Just look at John please, in relation to the others

viewtopic.php?p=134912#p134912

5, 6, 5 mentions for the Synoptics - and then John blasts everyone from the stage with 70+
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You can add Menander, an early gnostic, to your list as well according to Justin Martyr in his First Apology:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t ... ology.html

And a man, Meander, also a Samaritan, of the town Capparetaea, a disciple of Simon, and inspired by devils, we know to have deceived many while he was in Antioch by his magical art.

... the Samaritans Simon and Menander, who did many mighty works by magic, and deceived many, and still keep them deceived.

I'm curious about that link between them, with both doing 'mighty works by magic'. And then Jesus passing through Samaria healing the lepers starting from Luke 17:11. It's sheer speculation to propose a link, but I think magic played a more important part in Christian origins than we think. "Samaria" may have been a hint with regards to that. In Justin's Dialogue with Trypho, he writes:

For that expression of Isaiah 'He shall take the power of Damascus and spoils of Samaria,' foretold that the power of the evil demon that dwelt in Damascus should be overcome by Christ as soon as He was born; and this is proved to have happened. For the Magi, who were held in bondage for the commission of all evil deeds through the power of that demon, by coming to worship Christ, shows that they have revolted from that dominion which held them captive; and this[dominion] the Scripture has showed us to reside in Damascus. Moreover, that sinful and unjust power is termed well in parable, Samaria.

In his First Apology, Justin writes about "we who formerly used magical arts", though I think he is referring to Christians generally rather than Samaritans like himself.
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GakuseiDon wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:51 am You can add Menander, an early gnostic, to your list as well according to Justin Martyr in his First Apology:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t ... ology.html

And a man, Meander, also a Samaritan, of the town Capparetaea, a disciple of Simon, and inspired by devils, we know to have deceived many while he was in Antioch by his magical art.

... the Samaritans Simon and Menander, who did many mighty works by magic, and deceived many, and still keep them deceived.

I'm curious about that link between them, with both doing 'mighty works by magic'. And then Jesus passing through Samaria healing the lepers starting from Luke 17:11. It's sheer speculation to propose a link, but I think magic played a more important part in Christian origins than we think. "Samaria" may have been a hint with regards to that. In Justin's Dialogue with Trypho, he writes:

For that expression of Isaiah 'He shall take the power of Damascus and spoils of Samaria,' foretold that the power of the evil demon that dwelt in Damascus should be overcome by Christ as soon as He was born; and this is proved to have happened. For the Magi, who were held in bondage for the commission of all evil deeds through the power of that demon, by coming to worship Christ, shows that they have revolted from that dominion which held them captive; and this[dominion] the Scripture has showed us to reside in Damascus. Moreover, that sinful and unjust power is termed well in parable, Samaria.

In his First Apology, Justin writes about "we who formerly used magical arts", though I think he is referring to Christians generally rather than Samaritans like himself.
Egypt naturally is famous for magic, and its medical papyri. And it is not unthinkable that *Ev already had IS doing fun tricks, and that those just got repurposed in the context of Elijah

But it is very interesting indeed that these are clubbed together here!
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