mlinssen wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:00 pm
it is impossible to find anything in Thomas, even a single letter, that attests to reacting to Judeo-Christianity
114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life
Devoid of anything else as usual. Verbatim agreement implies direction of dependence now?
From where did Thomas get the characters Simon Peter and Matthew and Mary? And for that matter where did Thomas get "IS" from?
Logion 13 wrote:IS said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
And how exactly is this Judeo-Christian?
Simon Peter. Matthew et al are the standard Jewish/Christian characters in the traditional fictional story book about Christian origins. Which book features massive copy/pasted slabs of stuff from the Greek LXX.
The term Judeo-Christian is used to group Christianity and Judaism together, either in reference to Christianity's derivation from Judaism, Christianity's borrowing of Jewish Scripture to constitute the "Old Testament" of the Christian Bible, or due to the parallels or commonalities in Judaeo-Christian ethics shared by the two religions. The term "Judæo Christian" first appeared in the 19th century as a word for Jewish converts to Christianity.
mlinssen wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:00 pm
it is impossible to find anything in Thomas, even a single letter, that attests to reacting to Judeo-Christianity
114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life
Devoid of anything else as usual. Verbatim agreement implies direction of dependence now?
From where did Thomas get the characters Simon Peter and Matthew and Mary? And for that matter where did Thomas get "IS" from?
Logion 13 wrote:IS said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
And how exactly is this Judeo-Christian?
Simon Peter. Matthew et al are the standard Jewish/Christian characters in the traditional fictional story book about Christian origins. Which book features massive copy/pasted slabs of stuff from the Greek LXX.
The term Judeo-Christian is used to group Christianity and Judaism together, either in reference to Christianity's derivation from Judaism, Christianity's borrowing of Jewish Scripture to constitute the "Old Testament" of the Christian Bible, or due to the parallels or commonalities in Judaeo-Christian ethics shared by the two religions. The term "Judæo Christian" first appeared in the 19th century as a word for Jewish converts to Christianity.
Indeed, you assert that verbatim agreement determines direction of dependence.
Let me just ask you one single dumb question:
Is it technically possible that Thomas first invented these characters Pete?
Or is it only possible that someone else first invented these characters Pete?
"Peter", a Greek loan word here, has no record of use as a personal name in Greek texts prior to this relevant time period, with πέτρος previously just a noun for a stone.
I think the following question still lacks a reasonable answer ---
Leucius Charinus wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:21 am
114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life
From where did Thomas get the characters Simon Peter and Matthew and Mary?
Logion 13 wrote:IS said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Let me just ask you one single dumb question:
Is it technically possible that Thomas first invented these characters Pete?
Or is it only possible that someone else first invented these characters Pete?